Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[Igor PDML-StR]

Thank you, Rick, Jostein, Alan, John, Larry, and Stan for your responses.

I guess I should try it at some point...

Stan: I was not referring to bracing, rather to the fact how it is done.
What I usually do in this situations is to have the left hand under/over 
the lens (which allows me controlling zoom, and adjusting focus if 
needed), and then pushing my shoulder against the frame.


... and I didn't realize he was shooting from a vehicle, - the frame 
looked like a porch. :-) (of a Marriott property..)


Igor


 Stanley Halpin Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:49:03 -0700 wrote:

Assuming you even have your tripod handy and have time to set it up before 
the critter or person of interest leaves the vicinity, there are many 
situations where a tripod is contraindicated. Jostein’s zodiac or safari 
vehicle for example. Trains. Ships. Boats. Subway cars. City sidewalks 
above subway lines./ Etc. Basically any situation where the ground or 
floor or other fundament is vibrating. The technique you describe would 
help dampen the effects of such vibration whereas a tripod would transmit 
all of that vibration to your camera.



stan


On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio frame, 
with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.


I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some 
stability.
To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if it 
is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, that sounds 
very unreasonable (unless you have some limited functionality/stability in 
your left hand, or some other physical limitations).


What do you think?

Igor





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Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[Larry Colen]

John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 03:33:56PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio frame,
with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.

I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some
stability.
To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if it
is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, that
sounds very unreasonable (unless you have some limited
functionality/stability in your left hand, or some other physical
limitations).

What do you think?


I think he's using a camera with a good enough auto-focus system that
he doesn't need to worry about having to tinker with the focus (and,
for wildlife, he's probably shooting at the long end of the zoom range).


And if the bus hits a bump he's a lot less likely to end up on his ass 
and/or bust his camera.






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Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[John Francis]

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 03:33:56PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
> https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
> At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio frame,
> with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.
> 
> I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some
> stability.
> To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if it
> is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, that
> sounds very unreasonable (unless you have some limited
> functionality/stability in your left hand, or some other physical
> limitations).
> 
> What do you think?

I think he's using a camera with a good enough auto-focus system that
he doesn't need to worry about having to tinker with the focus (and,
for wildlife, he's probably shooting at the long end of the zoom range).

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Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[Alan C]

Strong arms are necessary if you want to HH a heavy rig for any length of 
time. I see some game photographers using a cushion, others brace their left 
elbow on the window ledge. Of course, if you are the driver, the vehicle 
would be stationary. Come to Kruger & try it for yourself!


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jostein

Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:00 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

Nothing strange about that trick, Igor. It is particularly reasonable
when shooting from a safari car that may even be in motion.

Focus: AF.
Zoom: Max tele. You want to zoom in anyway. If the animal comes closer,
the car will stop, you will have time to zoom out and recompose. If you
get only a glimpse, full tele is how you want to capture it.

Next level up from jeeps are zodiacs. I'll let you stew in your
imagination for that one. :-)

Jostein


Den 16.07.2017 21.33, skrev Igor PDML-StR:


I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio frame, 
with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.


I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some 
stability.
To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if 
it is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, that 
sounds very unreasonable (unless you have some limited 
functionality/stability in your left hand, or some other physical 
limitations).


What do you think?

Igor





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Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[Stanley Halpin]

Assuming you even have your tripod handy and have time to set it up before the 
critter or person of interest leaves the vicinity, there are many situations 
where a tripod is contraindicated. Jostein’s zodiac or safari vehicle for 
example. Trains. Ships. Boats. Subway cars. City sidewalks above subway lines./ 
Etc. Basically any situation where the ground or floor or other fundament is 
vibrating. The technique you describe would help dampen the effects of such 
vibration whereas a tripod would transmit all of that vibration to your camera.

stan

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
> https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
> At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio frame, 
> with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.
> 
> I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some 
> stability.
> To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if it 
> is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, that sounds 
> very unreasonable (unless you have some limited functionality/stability in 
> your left hand, or some other physical limitations).
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[Jostein]

Nothing strange about that trick, Igor. It is particularly reasonable 
when shooting from a safari car that may even be in motion.


Focus: AF.
Zoom: Max tele. You want to zoom in anyway. If the animal comes closer, 
the car will stop, you will have time to zoom out and recompose. If you 
get only a glimpse, full tele is how you want to capture it.


Next level up from jeeps are zodiacs. I'll let you stew in your 
imagination for that one. :-)


Jostein


Den 16.07.2017 21.33, skrev Igor PDML-StR:


I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio 
frame, with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.


I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some 
stability.
To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if 
it is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, 
that sounds very unreasonable (unless you have some limited 
functionality/stability in your left hand, or some other physical 
limitations).


What do you think?

Igor





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Re: Strange way to hold/stabilize the camera/camera lens

[Rick Womer]

I did that years ago. with a 2x teleconverter on a Tamron 70-210. It worked.

Rick

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> I noticed this TV commercial from Marriott rewards:
> https://youtu.be/XMEIq3Y8N2A?t=11s
> At 11 s, the photographer is shown with his hand holding to a patio frame, 
> with the long zoom holding on top of his forearm.
> 
> I can think of an argument that this way of bracing provides him some 
> stability.
> To me that looked rather weird: he cannot control the focus (and zoom if it 
> is a zoom lens) this way. If you were photographing wild animals, that sounds 
> very unreasonable (unless you have some limited functionality/stability in 
> your left hand, or some other physical limitations).
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
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