Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R., list, This seems to be error-confession month. I've a few new ones of my own now to mention. As regards _/logica utens/_ and _/logica docens/_, I confused things a bit, for example by asking whether mathematical reasoning IS one or IS the other, rather than asking, on which of them

RE: [PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Returning to Gary’s question about moving from the phaneron to what is extracted from it ‘for cognitive purposes’ — I don’t know whether my impressions will advance the discussion, but I might as well voice them anyway. First, the act of “extracting” anything from the phaneron is (to me)

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, List, Well, I hope we are now both mea culpa-ed out. Just a couple of points as your message was overall quite clear. You wrote: BU: I find it quite difficult to think of phanerscopic issues without applying ideas as principles such as universality from logical quantification, difficult

RE: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 3, Phenomenology and the Categories, Zero / One

2014-04-24 Thread Jeffrey Brian Downard
Hello Jerry, List, An additional thing we probably need to consider as we reflect on Peirce's 19th century understanding of chemistry and physics is his engagement with Maxwell's approach to magnetic and electrical fields. I suspect that he draws on these kinds of models in his account of the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Gary Richmond
Gary F., List, Gary, thanks for this message. We seem to see things a bit differently terminologically, and there are a couple of substantive matters upon which we seem to be in disagreement as well. You concluded your interesting comments on the question of moving from the phaneron to what is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary, list, Regarding the Kehler letter, it's true that it may be tailored to its singular audience, but I also had in mind MS 675, also from 1911, where Peirce defines logic not as the science of allvehicles of psychic influence but as the science of a certain kind of signs alone (the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Gary Richmond
Ben, List, I just read the message you linked to. I must say that I find Peirce's thinking and terminology (e.g., logon) in 1911 quite confusing and even off-putting. Perhaps he's experimenting at the time--in the midst of an experiment never quite completed; or one abandoned. But, for example,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, Pragmatism

2014-04-24 Thread Sungchul Ji
Gary F, Gary R, List, I always thought that information theorists should study Peircean semiotics because The Peircean sign may be viewed as the fundamental (042414-1) carrier of information. This morning it occurred to me that the Peircean sign, viewed as a mathematical category, may