It appears certain that the appeal court in Chile has decided by majority
vote to remove Pinochet's immunity from prosecution.
The long period of gilded house imprisonment in London has clearly affected
the perception of his invulnerability. He is at least likely to go through
more medical
Carrol Cox:
with any precision in *Poverty of Philosophy*; and (b) most of what I
would think of as historical materialism can be defended independently of
any particular view (pro or con or neutral) of the "dialectics of nature."
Actually Marx was fully involved with the editing of Engels'
Louis Proyect wrote:
. For example, only 4 years ago Joel Kovel wrote a lengthy piece in
CNS that argued that Marxism is weak on ecological questions because it
lacks a spiritual dimension.
I always have thought that the Unconscious was the Holy Ghost in 19th-c
positivist disguise. That
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on 24/5/00 1:54 pm, Carrol Cox at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Louis Proyect wrote:
. For example, only 4 years ago Joel Kovel wrote a lengthy piece in
CNS that argued that Marxism is weak on ecological
Meanwhile, Lou: can we not distinguish Marx from Marxism here (as Marx did)
and acknowledge at least the potential compatibility of Kovel and Foster's
positions, given that Foster is interpreting Marx, as opposed to Marxism,
which, by your reading, is the object of Kovel's criticism?
Michael K.
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There are different meanings to the word "materialism" Please clearify what you
mean.
Rod
Louis Proyect wrote:
Carrol Cox:
with any precision in *Poverty of Philosophy*; and (b) most of what I
would think of as historical materialism can be defended independently of
any particular view
G'day Michael,
Whilst I agree with you, I suppose Protestant 'Man' (and I still think Weber
was on to something about the link between Protestantism and Capitalism - he
just got it the wrong way 'round) would lay claim to spirituality, too -
only it is a poor little thing between 'him' and Him,
One might give this post a subtitle of "Zero Tolerance in
Action"
Carrol
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There are different meanings to the word "materialism" Please clearify
what you
mean.
Rod
Okay. There is the kind of materialism expressed in Epicurus's philosophy,
which was the topic of Marx's dissertation. With the rise of the church,
officially sanctioned Aristotelian philosophy in the form
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Howdy Rob
I would distinguish spirituality from "religion" -- not necessarily mutually
exclusive, but qualitatively different. I think that the sort of spontaneous
solidarity that you describe is spiritual, whereas
I wrote:
actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism
and dialectical materialism. They aren't Marx's terms.
Mine replies:
Really? Marx says in Preface to the French edition of Capital (Tucker
ed, p.301) the following:
"My DIALECTIC METHOD is not only different
Carroll writes"
I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical
materialism," but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited
as *the* philosophical basis for "historical materialism."
Right. "a" philosophical basis for Marx's materialist conception of
history
from yesterday's L.A. TIMES (op-ed),
"Rather than depict China as uniquely devious or evil, the hard questions
ought to be directed at the design and operating principles of
globalization. This malfunctioning system was not, after all, created by
the poor nations but designed in the citadels
Then we are at an impasse. I think it is worth while to rescue the language of
socialism and Marxism from the Leninist distortions, but perhaps it is not.
Perhaps we have to invent a new political language.
Rod
Yep. Back to Tocqueville and Rousseau...
Mine,
So, which was the Brezhnev era: "Kremlin
bureaucracy," "socialist democracy," both or
neither? You are becoming incoherent. Your
response to Rod Hay suggesting that you are
the leading expert on other peoples' knowledge
of Marx is ludicrous.
Barkley Rosser
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Tocquville and Rousseau offer a "new" language? I don't deny we have lots to learn
from them, but if "new" is what we need, they don't qualify. --jks
I think it is worth while to rescue the language of
socialism and Marxism from the Leninist distortions, but perhaps it is not.
Perhaps we have
Brad wrote:
Then we are at an impasse. I think it is worth while to rescue the
language of
socialism and Marxism from the Leninist distortions, but perhaps it is not.
Perhaps we have to invent a new political language.
Brad writes:
Yep. Back to Tocqueville and Rousseau...
If Brad is not being
Those interested in the issue of Naturdialectik or what has
been known since Plekhanov as "Dialectical Materialism'
may want to read my paper on 'Marx's Ecology:
Synthesizing Dialectics of Praxis and Nature" at
http://www.egroups.com/files/red-green/
To read it, you'll have to subscribe to the
Here are two more texts from Marx (Tom Walker has them on his web site
http://www.vcn.bc.ca/timework/dispose.htm) elaborating the idea of "free
activity" and of "wealth" as "free time" for "the artistic, scientific etc.
development of the individuals", "the free development of individualities".
Ted:
As I mentioned earlier, criticisms of scientific materialism that offer in
its place what amounts to a "dialectics of nature" can be found in Whitehead
(as an explicit criticism of Darwin's ontological premises, in *The Function
of Reason*).
It's interesting to compare David Harvey's
Engels uses "materialist dialectics" in _ Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical
German Philosophy_.
CB
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 10:31AM
I wrote:
actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism
and dialectical materialism. They aren't Marx's
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 11:04AM
Carroll writes"
I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical
materialism," but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited
as *the* philosophical basis for "historical materialism."
Right. "a" philosophical
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Dennis wrote:
Left activists and students, Adorno and Horkheimer created the world's
first coherent theory of mass culture, and Adorno's conceptual
masterpieces are magnificent expositions of multinational Marxism,
I wholeheartedly agree with Franfkurt School's contribution to theories of
The democratic rhetoric of Rousseau and Tocqueville becomes meaningless
and obfuscatory emissions of hot gasses by Clinton or Blair.
Such hyperbole is not good for communication even in face-to-face
conversation or as part of an extended essay which allows the reader to
understand the tone.
Jim Devine wrote:
So you believe Clinton when he talks about being in favor of democracy?
Carrol Cox wrote about this citation earlier:
Burke, Kenneth. 1945. A Grammar of Motives (Englewood Cliffs, NJ:
Prentice-Hall).
393: As soon as Roosevelt made a speech attacking "Economic
On Wed, 24 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote:
of Hegel's philosophy. But in the Frankfurt School the task of revolution
is dumped overboard and the problematic of alienation remains, only to be
solved within the context of what ultimately will prove to be the modern
liberal state, as evidenced
Brad wrote:
Then we are at an impasse. I think it is worth while to rescue the
language of
socialism and Marxism from the Leninist distortions, but perhaps it is not.
Perhaps we have to invent a new political language.
Brad writes:
Yep. Back to Tocqueville and Rousseau...
If Brad is not being
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 03:36PM
Incidentally, Marx never "contributed a chapter to Anti-Duehring."
He had written a journal article on Duerhing, which he allowed
Engels to incorporate into his book, published serially at first
without much attention. Despite Engels' comments much
later that
At 03:27 PM 5/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
This means developing an appreciation for what Engels was trying to do in
Dialectics of Nature and expanding upon it as well.
I think too much noise has been made about the "dialectics of nature." That
is, there's been too much criticism of Engels on this
Lou, you metioned about Lukacs' and Frankfurt School's conceptions of
"dialectic" in your previous post. Unfortunately, I mistakenly deleted the
post, but isn't there a still big difference between the two? whereas
Frankfurt School's understanding of the term tends to lean towards
"negative
In my view, while Marx's work before the mid-1850s focuses
on a socio-historical theory of knowledge, which necessarily
removes Philosophy from its privileged place in a hierarchy of
knowledges, Marx's remarks in later life (see his conversations
with Alexei Voden and Liebknecht's reminiscences)
(I wrote this before I had any inkling that John Bellamy Foster was
thinking along the same lines. I haven't looked at it in over a year and
was pleased to discover that I had also taken note of the topic of Marx's
dissertation topic.)
Recent reading has convinced me that it is time to
I wrote:
actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism
and dialectical materialism. They aren't Marx's terms.
Mine replies:
Really? Marx says in Preface to the French edition of Capital (Tucker
ed, p.301) the following:
"My DIALECTIC METHOD is not only different
and "historical materialism" in letters to Joseph Bloch
Mine
Engels uses "materialist dialectics" in _ Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of
Classical German Philosophy_.
CB
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 10:31AM
I wrote:
actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms
Mine,
So, which was the Brezhnev era: "Kremlin
bureaucracy," "socialist democracy," both or
neither?
kremlin bureaucracy..
You are becoming incoherent. Your response to Rod Hay suggesting that
you are the leading expert on other peoples' knowledge of Marx is
ludicrous.
I did not
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 04:27PM
At 03:27 PM 5/24/00 -0400, you wrote:
This means developing an appreciation for what Engels was trying to do in
Dialectics of Nature and expanding upon it as well.
I think too much noise has been made about the "dialectics of nature." That
is,
Lou, you metioned about Lukacs' and Frankfurt School's conceptions of
"dialectic" in your previous post. Unfortunately, I mistakenly deleted the
post, but isn't there a still big difference between the two? whereas
Frankfurt School's understanding of the term tends to lean towards
"negative
Louis Proyect wrote:
scholasticism tended to put a damper on scientific investigation. With
the rise of the bourgeosie and the Englightement, challenges to the
status quo often took on a materialist form, such as the case of Francis
Bacon, Diderot, Gassendi et al.
Louis Proyect
(The Marxism
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/00 10:34PM
In a message dated 5/23/00 9:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical
materialism,"
but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited as *the*
philosophical
basis
"Charles Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 01:47PM
Engels uses "materialist dialectics" in _ Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical
German Philosophy_.
CB
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 10:31AM
I wrote:
actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical
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I even wrote an itty bitty little dissertation on the subject:
I've even made a start on it, Dennis, and a beaut read it is, too! You
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Good on you!
Rob
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