Re: Re: Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Mark Jones
At 23/09/2002 05:55, Melvin wrote: >Classless concepts will not help the new communist class. Nor will >wholesale condemnation of the American peoples strengthened the antiwar >bourgeois democratic current alive and well in America. You are right and my short way of putting it was wrong. Ther

RE: mansion glut

2002-09-22 Thread Davies, Daniel
not usually at the $50m end of the market; it's axiomatic in London that Kensington and Knightsbridge were the only postcodes to come through the last property slump without a blip. Houses at this end are not typically bought with mortgages -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman

Re: Germany: Election results

2002-09-22 Thread pms
Schroeder, whose outspoken defiance against war with Iraq was credited with giving him a late-push in the tight campaign, said he won't back down. He has insisted he would not commit troops for a war even if the United Nations ( news - web sites) backs military action. (do they usually send tro

Re: Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 9/22/02 8:15:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 22/09/2002 14:53, you wrote: >I expect we'll soon see all conscientious libertarians and consistent social >Darwinists rise up in revulsion against this Bush doctrine. Why so? 100 hundred years after Spe

debt

2002-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
Stop treating debtors as poor cows Larry Elliott Monday September 23, 2002 The Guardian The west's big economies are in trouble. Growth is stuttering to a halt, budget deficits are rising, financial markets awash with doom and gloom. When the finance ministers and central bank governors from the

Germany: Election results

2002-09-22 Thread Sabri Oncu
Are there any European friends here to comment on this? Brits don't count, Australians are OK. Sabri + Schroeder's Party Wins 2nd Term Sun Sep 22,10:26 PM ET By TONY CZUCZKA, Associated Press Writer BERLIN (AP) - Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats won one of Germany's closest

Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in the capitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Robert Manning
  In this phase of U.S. "cowboy" imperialism, the problem is that the spoils of war are clearly being discussed and those segments of capital within the U.S. that do not stand to receive substantial financial windfalls are feigning opposition to the Bush doctrine.  The key negotiations are

(Fwd) (Fwd) job in Labour and Workplace Studies

2002-09-22 Thread phillp2
Subject: job in Labour and Workplace Studies The Labour and Workplace Studies Program, Faculty of Arts, at the University of Manitoba invites applications for a full-time tenure-track appointment in Labour and Workplace Studies at the rank of Assistant Professor. Core fields: Labour Inst

Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
"For, if once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing, and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination. Once begin upon this downward path, you never know where you are to stop. Many a man da

On the US ruling class split

2002-09-22 Thread Sabri Oncu
As I recall, Louis started this topic a while back although I don't remember where exacly. Michael Keaney sent a few supporting articles to A-List. Their URLs are below. http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2002-September/020392 .html http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2002-Septem

Re: Euroland Economy: one of the weakest links

2002-09-22 Thread Sabri Oncu
> Also, totally off the subject, are you Turkish? > > Joanna Well. Now the entire world knows that I am, how can't you? Just kidding. But I am Turkish. Best, Sabri PS: Sorry for posting this to the list. I don't get to see Joanna's address at the website.

Re: Euroland Economy: one of the weakest links

2002-09-22 Thread joanna bujes
Thanks for this, I was wondering about Europe. Also, totally off the subject, are you Turkish? Joanna At 12:40 PM 09/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Europe Is Giving Up on Itself > >Stephen Roach (New York) > >Global Economic Forum, Sept 20, 2002 > > >These past two weeks in Europe have been sort of

Re: military keynesianism question

2002-09-22 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:38 AM 09/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: >How effective can military keynesian be now? Not very...at any rate, the market doesn't seem to think it would be very effective; have you noticed how it swoons everyt ime we come one step closer to war? > The US economy is very open, >so much of the

Re: Re: Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Mark's words are the most succint analysis I have seen. On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 04:52:56PM +, Carl Remick wrote: > >... what is exceptional about Americans is their mix of murderousness, > >infantile self pity and devastating lack of self-insight. > > > >Mark > > Exactly. Just add America'

Re: Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
The restraints on Bush have been a suggestion that he get approval of congress and the UN before beginning the war. Going to the UN is expensive, because he has to bribe others to go along with it. I am not sure if some of the debate was not orchestrated in the first place. Once Bush agreed to

In a country of S.U.V. drivers

2002-09-22 Thread Sabri Oncu
Let me highlight this from the below article: "White House officials say they have not budgeted any particular amount for a war. In any case, they say, the United States can afford it." Sabri +++ New York Times, September 22, 2002 Amid the Uncertainty, Business Balks at Spending

Euroland Economy: one of the weakest links

2002-09-22 Thread Sabri Oncu
Europe Is Giving Up on Itself Stephen Roach (New York) Global Economic Forum, Sept 20, 2002 These past two weeks in Europe have been sort of an epiphany for me. The hopes and promises of the European Monetary Union (EMU) are now ringing hollow. Eleven cities later -- on the Continent and in th

Re:Re: Re: Forget Spencer-Bring on Ozymandias

2002-09-22 Thread Hari Kumar
PREVIOUS: 1)... what is exceptional about Americans is their mix of murderousness, infantile self pity and devastating lack of self-insight. Mark 2) Exactly. Just add America's new "hyperpower" status to that mix and you have the most toxic combination for world calamity since WWII. Carl. COMMEN

Re: Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in

2002-09-22 Thread Hari Kumar
Michael P said There are none. Carrol Said: "They are not in any politically significant sense _divisions_. ...And I think there is a reason for that: divisions  in the ruling class occur only under heavy pressure from the working-class. Divisions on the international level, such as t

Re: Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Carl Remick
>... what is exceptional about Americans is their mix of murderousness, >infantile self pity and devastating lack of self-insight. > >Mark Exactly. Just add America's new "hyperpower" status to that mix and you have the most toxic combination for world calamity since WWII. Carl __

Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in thecapitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Carrol Cox
They are more or less sharp _differences of opinion_. They are not in any politically significant sense _divisions_. There is no set terminology here, probably because there is no very strong tradition of theory and practice around ruling-class unity/division. And I think there is a reason for tha

military keynesianism question

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
How effective can military keynesian be now? The US economy is very open, so much of the demand leaks out. Unlike the world of WW II, the US is not using goods that are produced using technology comparable to durable consumer goods. Instead, it depends more on very high tech, with relatively li

Re: Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in the capitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Michael Perelman
I don't see much division, except how to market the war. Disgusting sight. On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 09:36:34AM -0400, Hari Kumar wrote: > I have probably missed this due to recent absence, but what do list > members think re the apparent divisions in the ruling class regarding > assulting Iraq? >

Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Tom Walker
I wrote, >>I expect we'll soon see all conscientious libertarians and consistent social >>Darwinists rise up in revulsion against this Bush doctrine. Mark Jones asked, >Why so? I was being sarcastic, Mark. Tom Walker 604 255 4812

Dubya Dip?

2002-09-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: Dubya Dip? September 22, 2002/New York TIMES The Costs of Bursting Bubbles By STEPHEN S. ROACH LONDON - A year after terrorism dealt a seemingly lethal blow to America, talk of resilience and economic recovery is in the air. The nation's inflation-adjusted gross domestic product has r

RE: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:30447] Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him? Herbert Spencer: >... the improved civilized principle of wholesale massacre in return for single murder... < this sounds like Israel's policy vis-a-vis the conquered territories... JD

eric hobsbawm interview

2002-09-22 Thread Ian Murray
Man of the extreme century Sunday September 22, 2002 The Observer [snip] TH: So much of the current surge in history has to do with English and British identity. What came out from your autobiography was a strong affection for England and your own sense of Englishness. Do you think the public o

Re: Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Mark Jones
At 22/09/2002 14:53, you wrote: >I expect we'll soon see all conscientious libertarians and consistent social >Darwinists rise up in revulsion against this Bush doctrine. Why so? 100 hundred years after Spencer, angry Americans are more anxious to bash people of different hue, colour, etc, th

Where is Herbert Spencer when we need him?

2002-09-22 Thread Tom Walker
"In the 33-page document, Mr. Bush also seeks to answer the critics of growing American muscle-flexing by insisting that the United States will exploit its military and economic power to encourage 'free and open societies,' rather than seek 'unilateral advantage.' It calls this union of values and

Bush Militarism- How many Divisions are there in the capitalist class?

2002-09-22 Thread Hari Kumar
I have probably missed this due to recent absence, but what do list members think re the apparent divisions in the ruling class regarding assulting Iraq? i) Are these real divisions - or merely 'willpower'? Or do they represent mroe objective capitalist class divisions? ii) If the latter - What do