Re: ethnic divisions

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:02:24 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are the ethnic hostilities something that would naturally die out without being enflamed intentionally for political gains or are they inevitable? The Irish were regarded almost identically to the

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Kurds, Kashmiris, Chechens, etc. exercised the right to self-determination, would that necessarily result in the breakup of Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, India, and Russia? Presumably, they could very well choose to remain part of the countries in

Jonathan Schell on the DP's prowar stance

2004-07-31 Thread Marvin Gandall
(Jonathan Schell, in the forthcoming issue of The Nation, argues that the Democratic party has locked itself into continuing the war in Iraq, even though its base is in denial and is hoping Kerry's pledge to do so is just rhetoric designed to win the election. In fact, the outcome of the US

Re: [Marxism] Jonathan Schell on the DP's prowar stance

2004-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
Marvin Gandall wrote: (Jonathan Schell, in the forthcoming issue of The Nation, argues that the Democratic party has locked itself into continuing the war in Iraq, even though its base is in denial and is hoping Kerry's pledge to do so is just rhetoric designed to win the election. In fact, the

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens (as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. from recent history) have the right to self-determination. --- Yoshie, upon a little reflection, I think this is a pretty naive

JEP

2004-07-31 Thread Devine, James
[was RE: [PEN-L] Deeper Problems for Shleifer] Michael writes: Does anybody niotice the rapid decline in the Journal of Economic Perspectives? A right winger will take over the Journal of Economc Literature. I haven't been paying attention. Why do you think that the JEP is in decline? why do

Re: JEP

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the journal has become more technical, less topical. Its beauty, especially under Stiglitz, was that it could keep non-specialists informed about different fields and truly offer different, even dissident, perspectives. On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at

Re: Socialism of fools

2004-07-31 Thread Devine, James
I recently quoted Fred Engels as referring to anti-semitism as the socialism of fools. Pen-l alumnus Jurriaan Bendien writes me that: From memory the socialism of fools remark was by August Bebel, circa 1873. I looked for the quote on the web. The following is part of what I found. James

Re: [Marxism] Jonathan Schell on the DP's prowar stance

2004-07-31 Thread Devine, James
Louis P. writes: One of the main goals of the Democratic Party over the past year or so, besides ousting Bush so as to provide sinecures in Washington for their own loyalists, has been to disarm the antiwar movement. By creating fake antiwar outfits like Moveon.org, ... it has forced politics to

Re: Socialism of fools

2004-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
James Heartfield, a person who Louis P. has a heart-felt dislike also cites Bebel: A century ago, the German socialist August Bebel exposed the limitations of another one-sided and illusory criticism of the market. In his day, the 'predatory' capitalists who were singled out for special treatment

Re: [Marxism] Jonathan Schell on the DP's prowar stance

2004-07-31 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote: did the DP create Moveon.org? my impression is that its leaders created it and then moved into the DP orbit on their own. I wasn't clear enough. Moveon.org was created by people who wanted a respectable alternative to the antiwar movement. It then morphed into Howard Dean's

Re: [Marxism] Jonathan Schell on the DP's prowar stance

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
Moveon began in protest of the Clinton impeachment. It began as a letter that took a life of its own. On Sat, Jul 31, 2004 at 12:29:41PM -0400, Louis Proyect wrote: Devine, James wrote: did the DP create Moveon.org? my impression is that its leaders created it and then moved into the DP

Re: JEP

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
--- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the journal has become more technical, less topical. The same Shleifer that was investigated b/c of his work in Russia? __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail

Re: JEP

2004-07-31 Thread Chris Doss
Whoops, obviously yes. I hadn't read that post yet. --- Chris Doss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shleifer is the editor; DeLong is gone. So the journal has become more technical, less topical. The same Shleifer that was investigated b/c of his

book review: Welfare and the Constitution

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Hoover
From the Law and Politics Book Review WELFARE AND THE CONSTITUTION, by Sotirios A. Barber. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2004. 184pp. Cloth $27.95 / £17.95. ISBN: 0-691-11448-X Reviewed By Ronald Kahn, Department of Politics, Oberlin College. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/31/2004 8:22:28 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1991, Grozny's population was about 50% non-Chechen. The Nautsky district in Chechnya was about 75% non-Chechen, mostly Russians, Ukrainians and Cossacks who lived there since the 15th century. Those

Promoting paranoia

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
Our local police department wants to get some money from the Homeland Security Department. The only catch is that they have to prove that we have terrorists in our midst. I assume that as police departments throughout the country compete for this money, the feds will have convincing evidence

My Partner Had an Abortion

2004-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
My Partner Had an Abortion (What about men owning up to abortions? How about My Partner Had an Abortion T-shirts for them?): http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/07/my-partner-had-abortion.html -- Yoshie * Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/ * Greens for Nader: http://greensfornader.net/

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread michael
This was the problem that I was referring to when I was trying to describe a progression of fragmentations. I first began to think about this sort of problem when Lebanon began to fall apart. At first, it seemed to be a religious division, but then I began to realize that there were divisions

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
Ours is a war for position and ideological and political statements are converted into policy . . . in real time. Who determines "what" is the great war of attribution and will. If we win over no we lose by default. We cannot win over any segment of our working class on the basis of

Re: My Partner Had an Abortion

2004-07-31 Thread Devine, James
I think My wife had an abortion or My life partner had an abortion makes more sense, since so many men have _business_ partners, who are often male. (How about a T-shirt saying I didn't treat every sperm as sacred?) Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Perelman
Melvyn posed posed one of the truly difficult challenges that the left faces: learning how to learn from the masses at the same time as we supply them with information. Listening is a very difficult skill. I remember trying to speak with the boyfriend of my first wife's mother. He worked in a

Ooh! Ooh!! Helen!!!

2004-07-31 Thread Shane Mage
NY POST front-page headline: PARIS: MY LOVER BEAT ME La Guerre de Troie n'aura pas lieu

Re: Socialism of fools

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/04 12:10 PM I recently quoted Fred Engels as referring to anti-semitism as the socialism of fools. Pen-l alumnus Jurriaan Bendien writes me that: From memory the socialism of fools remark was by August Bebel, circa 1873. I guess I sit corrected, though I couldn't find

Re: Socialism of fools

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Hoover
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/31/04 7:59 PM above is one of those quotes that floats around, that people cite and never indicate source, few folks probably have any idea its origins and many/most who reference it have probably never read it in english as i don't believe text has ever been translated from

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Joel Wendland
Waistline2 wrote: In my estimate the American Marxists are the least qualified amongst world Marxists when dealing with the national factor. Between 1973 and I978 I had compiled much of the writings on the national factor in our history using a collection of roughly 30 years of Political Affairs

Re: My Partner Had an Abortion

2004-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Jim says: I think My wife had an abortion or My life partner had an abortion makes more sense, since so many men have _business_ partners, who are often male. Only a tiny minority of men have business partners. In any case, that sort of ambiguity makes it even more interesting. Jello Biafra goes

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 6:22 AM -0700 7/31/04, Chris Doss wrote: --- Yoshie Furuhashi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question, I thought, was whether Kurds, Kashmiris, and Chechens (as well as East Timorese, Albanians in Kosovo, etc. from recent history) have the right to self-determination. --- Yoshie, upon a little

Re: A Question for the Moderator

2004-07-31 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/31/2004 7:33:32 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would be interested to learn which articles in PA you considered valuable and those which you found unhelpful on the subject of the national question. As I recall DuBois and James Jackson produced