Chris Doss wrote:
For the NYT or WP, everything bad that happens in
China or Russia is the result of a nefarious plot
hatched in Beijing or Moscow. For the life of me I
can't understand why people who would be
hypersceptical over these papers' coverage of, say,
Venezuela cite them as impeachable
I . . .uhhEye against IFlesh of my flesh and
Mind of my mind.Two of a kind but one won't survive.The
image is reflect in my enemy eyes and my image is reflect in his the
same time. Right here is where the end gonna start
at.Conflict . . . contact . . . call back.Fighter stand where
the
I would never have read this if it hadn't been
referenced by Kenneth.
You have stated publicly on LBO-Talk that
censorship was not a problem in the USSR
and that people could read whatever they
want. You also quote liberally from the ,
which fails to meet Rupert Murdoch's
standards by all
Putinite press -- You quote from all kinds of
things, yourself,
Louis.
-
How does somebody who doesn't read Russian know jack
shit about the Russian press, Putinite are
otherwise? How lame. That's not how the Russian media
work. Anyway that's my last word on the subject.
All right, one final word and then I am outta here.
The inanity of that statement is breathtaking. I
worked for the Russia Journal for three years.
(Actually I am somewhat proud of the fact that the
eXile praised my editorials. That's pretty rare.) I
think I know how the Russian media work.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any modern economy operating on the basis of the
exchange of labor is going to manifest economic
inequality. What Russia junked was socialism. The
people of the Soviet Union understood that Brezhnev
was not a Red. I remember their jokes from this period
. . .
The below was written for a different purpose, after my recent extended
period of teaching in Shanghai.
It is not a profound economic analysis at all, rather it is a view of
the heatlh services. Even there I have omitted stats for lack of time to
research them, tho' this will follow.
Purpose was
Michael Perelman wrote:
Also, I have never heard of any competitive contest where you aim to just get over
the hump. Sounds like a stupid strategy.
The alternative strategy would be to arouse public passion (and
participation!). It has long been my own theory that the DP leadership
would
Chris Doss wrote:
Virtually nothing was banned in the USSR.
The Washington Post
July 20, 2002 Saturday
Soviet Dissident Alexander Ginzburg Dies
BYLINE: Martin Weil, Washington Post Staff Writer
Alexander Ginzburg, 65, who was persecuted, imprisoned and exiled as a
leader of the dissident
August 01, 2004
The War Is a Fraud
Robert Fisk, The Independent, August 1, 2004:
The war is a fraud. I'm not talking about the weapons of mass destruction
that didn't exist. Nor the links between Saddam Hussein and al-Qa'ida which
didn't exist. Nor all the other lies upon which we went to war. I'm
Wal-Marts cost state, study says
Retailer refutes UC research that claims taxes subsidize wages
- George Raine, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 3, 2004
Employment practices at Wal-Mart, the nation's largest employer with
relatively lower labor costs in the retail sector, cost California
I don't know if this
is a suburban legend ?
Charles
Subject: FW: Pay attention to this new Rape
situation THIS IS NO
JOKE
A woman at a nightclub on Saturday
night was
taken by 5 men, who
according to hospital and police reports,
gang raped her before
dumping
What is the total
amount of "money" in the whole world ?
Charles
(Koppel will be a guest on the Daily Show this thursday.)
slate.com
Battle of the Network Anchors
Ted Koppel and Jon Stewart face off on the convention floor.
By Dana Stevens
Updated Friday, July 30, 2004, at 6:30 PM PT
Because of our predilection (scroll down to Wednesday's entry) for
watching
End of thread! Why can you just discuss things without getting nasty and bringing up
material from other lists?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Koppel will be a guest on the Daily Show this thursday.)
slate.com
Battle of the Network Anchors
Ted Koppel and Jon Stewart face off on the convention floor.
By Dana Stevens
... In a one-on-one chat on the deserted convention floor after the day's
festivities
I am reminded by a recent exchange that the party line
in the West is that the Russian media are uniformly
pro-Putin. This is not true.
The three national TV channels generally follow the
Kremlin line. Some political shows have closed, which
is a shame. However, this is not true of the print
George Monbiot in today's (Aug.3's) GUARDIAN on democracy in
the so-called industrial democracies: we can vote out the monkeys but
not the organ-grinder.
Jim Devine
Well I think that Plato argued it a bit earlier..in The Republic..
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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Michael Perelman wrote:
Also, I have
ken hanly wrote:
Well I think that Plato argued it a bit earlier..in The Republic..
:-) Yup. My post was a bit ambiguous -- pronoun reference not clear. I
was thinking primarily of the DP rather than the general principle re a
great Beast. Whether the DP leadership reads Plato or not I do not
embedded like a suppository
I'm stealing this.
Dan
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James
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:48 AM
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George Monbiot in today's (Aug.3's) GUARDIAN on democracy in
the so-called industrial democracies: we
Thanks LP for posting the review of Hart-Landsberg and Burkett's long MR
piece. I just picked up a copy yesterday, and have been looking it over.
I've got my own little quibbles with it (not enough emphasis on rural
China, which I think is desperately important right now, they lump
pre-1976 China
Jonathan Lassen writes:
Thanks LP for posting the review of Hart-Landsberg and
Burkett's long MR piece. I just picked up a copy
yesterday, and have been looking it over. I've got my
own little quibbles with it (not enough emphasis on rural
China, which I think is desperately important right now,
So why did Bush, not Kerry, get the bounce?
Tue Aug 3, 7:09 AM ET
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
There was a bounce after last week's Democratic National Convention.
But it went to President Bush, not John Kerry.
Pollsters and strategists are puzzling over Kerry's failure to get a
boost from a
Hi Kenneth Campbell,
Who funds Monthly Review? I have no idea.
I do know a bit about China Study Group, since I work with them. The
annual budget is about 100 dollars, which is what the website costs. All
the labor is volunteer.
My guess is -- and this is prejudicial against me, not you -- that
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So why did Bush, not Kerry, get the bounce?
Tue Aug 3, 7:09 AM ET
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
There was a bounce after last week's Democratic National Convention.
But it went to President Bush, not John Kerry.
Kerry should lose Licorice the hamster.
Carl
Hi Kenneth Campbell,
Hi Jonathan Lassen!
Who funds Monthly Review? I have no idea.
I have an idea... grin. But I love the publication, nonetheless.
I do know a bit about China Study Group, since I work with them. The
annual budget is about 100 dollars, which is what the website
costs. All the
Jonathan Lassen wrote:
When these kind of news stories - see below - appear (and we're only
hearing about this one because one of the villagers was able to get to the
internet), perhaps we should pause and look a bit closer at what's going
on. The way that these Contradictions
are either
Kerry should lose Licorice the hamster.
Carl
G.O.P. QUESTIONS KERRY'S HAMSTER HEROISM [by Andy Borowitz]
Rodent Story 'Doesn't Add Up,' Mass Email Claims
A mass email from the Republican National Committee is questioning whether or not
Democratic nominee John Kerry actually saved his
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/04 12:28 AM
I was struck by the same thing as Michael H. I doubt that they will
reciprocate for
the Dems.
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 12:24:33AM -0400, Michael Hoover wrote:
related point: tv media abandoned past convention coverage in giving
reps so many opportunities
The strategy guarentees that Kerry will have no coattails.
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 03:32:47PM -0400, Michael Hoover wrote:
re. dem/kerry strategy, elections are mechanisms of social control,
narrow kerry win
will actually be narrow bush loss, kerry's people think this can happen
with
If there's a great untapped reservoir of leftish populism in the
American masses, why did Kucinich do so badly in the primaries, and
why is Nader now down around 2%?
Doug
Kucinich had no money supporting him; Kerry has an organize (well, well-funded)
party. Gore's support picked up when he did populism, so would Kerry's. All he had
to do was to take Edwards' 2-America's riff a bit further.
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 03:52:16PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
If
Doug Henwood wrote:
If there's a great untapped reservoir of leftish populism in the
American masses, why did Kucinich do so badly in the primaries...
it may not be populism, but leftist sentiment might be present. its a
media affair involving millions of dollars of course: kucinich was
I don't know about Kucinich, but I remember that someone was
complaining about his singing of America the Beautiful at his
rallies and how embarrassing it was. Maybe that hurt.
Also, Nader is likely falling because of the view that any vote for
Nader is a vote for Bush.
BTW, one reason for
I worked for Kucinich in the Iowa caucuses. Lots of folks that supported
Kerry were way more progressive than Kerry. In particular, they were
against the war. What moved them was the electability issue. They wanted
to back a winner.
I don't claim that this completely answers your question (nor
What is the total
wealth, networth, valueof all the economies of the world ? Do any
economists estimate this ?
What is total wealth
divided by the population of the earth ? If total wealth were divided equally,
what would be per capitanetworth ?
Charles
The Fed Gov says it's $89.9 trillion for the
U.S.
Some of it -- like the Brooklyn Bridge --
would
be hard to divvy up. Would you want a
share
in the Brooklyn Bridge? It would look nice
on
the wall.
mbs
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On Behalf Of Charles BrownSent: Tuesday,
Devine, James wrote:
Also, Nader is likely falling because of the view that any vote for
Nader is a vote for Bush.
My understanding is that plans are afoot to arrest him and put him on
trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
--
The Marxism list: www.marxmail.org
no, they're going to put him in the free speech zone in Boston, now that it's no
longer in use.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
I wrote:
Also, Nader is likely falling because of the view that any vote for
Nader is a vote for Bush.
Changing Sex, Changing Islam (In Iran, transsexuals, changing sex,
have been changing Islam as well, under its still theocratic
government):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/08/changing-sex-changing-islam.html.
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Greens for Nader:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Kucinich had no money supporting him
C'mon - he was in the debates, he was on the road a lot. He should
have done better than, what?, 2% of the primary vote.
Doug
Robert Naiman wrote:
What moved them was the electability issue. They wanted
to back a winner.
This is the popular attitude that disturbs me most, for more than any
other attitude it represents despair at the possibility of people
affecting national policy.
Carrol
Devine, James wrote:
BTW, one reason for the lack of Kerry bounce is that so many
pro-Bush people are hard-core and would never shift. Also,
Krugman's column in today's NY TIMES suggests that the media
did Kerry in.
Cruising the dial after the speech it seemed that all the pundits
pronounced
Charles Brown wrote:
What is the total wealth, networth, value of all the economies of
the world ? Do any economists estimate this ?
Wealth is tough. Income is easier. Acc to World Bank, per capita GDP
(PPP, with all Paul A's caveats incorporated by reference) in 2002
was $7,867.94. Cash money, no
Carrol Cox wrote:
This is the popular attitude that disturbs me most, for more than any
other attitude it represents despair at the possibility of people
affecting national policy.
The other interesting thing going on is the trivialization of the
campaign, with major statements being made about
alas I missed his speech. I had to work last night.
(I like to watch the candidates' convention speeches
for the same reason I saw Terminator I and II, i.e., to
keep up with popular culture.)
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/03/04 3:52 PM
If there's a great untapped reservoir of leftish populism in the
American masses, why did Kucinich do so badly in the primaries, and
why is Nader now down around 2%?
Doug
uhhh, who said anything about 'untapped reservoir of leftish populism'
(whatever that
by Max B. Sawicky
The Fed Gov says it's $89.9 trillion for the U.S.
Some of it -- like the Brooklyn Bridge -- would
be hard to divvy up. Would you want a share
in the Brooklyn Bridge? It would look nice on
the wall.
Mbs
^^
Ok I said it dumbly, but I'm trying to start a holistic thought
Sorry .
CB
^ http://hoaxinfo.com/progesterex.htm
Progesterex: Date Rape Drug?
First Published June, 2000
Updated September, 2002
In 1999, an e-mail began circulating that proclaimed a new date
rape drug had been introduced.
When has a person in the debates been called a vanity candidate before. The singing
schtick was stupid, though.
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 04:32:11PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote:
Michael Perelman wrote:
Kucinich had no money supporting him
C'mon - he was in the debates, he was on the road a lot.
by Doug Henwood
Wealth is tough. Income is easier. Acc to World Bank, per capita GDP
(PPP, with all Paul A's caveats incorporated by reference) in 2002
was $7,867.94. Cash money, no PPP magic: $5,212.56.
^^
So, in a very abstract sense, if everybody had equal cut from GDP in 2002,
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The other interesting thing going on is the trivialization of the
campaign, with major statements being made about Kerry's donning of a
clean suit at NASA, debunking his mouth-to-mouth resuscitation of a
hamster, etc. I strongly suspect that the corporate media will be going
gung-ho for BUSH in
Charles Brown wrote:
So, in a very abstract sense, if everybody had equal cut from GDP in 2002,
everybody would be poor, but not real poor ? Or do I misinterpret this ?
It's roughly at the level of Mexico, PPP-wise.
Doug
Devine, James wrote:
alas I missed his speech. I had to work last night.
(I like to watch the candidates' convention speeches
for the same reason I saw Terminator I and II, i.e., to
keep up with popular culture.)
That seems a better motive than most have. :-)
Maillists tend to tell you
Charles Brown wrote:
Ok I said it dumbly, but I'm trying to start a holistic thought like Levins
and Lewontin might advise. Is there enough wealth in the whole world to give
everybody a decent minimum ? Could we have a world minimum income/networth ?
I don't think estimates of total wealth
the reason why the income number is easier than the wealth number, of
course, is that if you had all the world's wealth, what would you buy with
it? In a very real sense ( this phrase [c] Alan Bennett), the world's
wealth can probably only be measured in hours of equivalent socially
necessary
I wrote:
alas I missed his speech. I had to work last night.
obviously, I meant that night, i.e., last Thursday night.
More coffee is needed.
I remember Bill C's DP convention speech well. He
clearly came off as intelligent, as opposed to W (in 2000),
who came off as dumb. Both were wrong,
Wealth is liberty... it is disposable time and nothing more.
Tom Walker
604 255 4812
by Carrol Cox
I don't think estimates of total wealth tell one much. What counts for
your purposes is the flow of material goods and services available at
any given moment. Or perhaps the productive capacity if everyone were
employed, but I doubt anyone could make even a wild estimate of that.
there's
no need to read this. How does the format look?
Who needs
enemas? Rebecca
FrontTuesday August 3, 2004The
Guardian A blow
to conspiracy theorists appeared in this paper the other day. According to
scientists, Napoleon Bonaparte was not murdered, as has long been suspected, but
Joel Wendland wrote:
Is this particular story emblematic of the restoration of capitalism,
though? Isn't it true that this kind of event took place in pre-reform
China
-- and not necessarily to benefit the working and toiling classes? We
expect
to see it in capitalist countries, of course.
The
...perfect.
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:18
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there's no need to read this. How does the format
look?
Who needs
enemas? Rebecca FrontTuesday August 3, 2004The
Kenneth Campbell wrote:
As I hope you understood, I meant no offence. China needs no help from
us.
I'm not sure why China provokes such strong feelings of
separateness/alienation.
Let's all just stay in our hermetically sealed container-states, it's
much safer.
JL
An interesting piece! Apart from Islamic Rules, the body politics issue in
Iran has its origin mostly in the cultural codes of behavior. There are many
irreligious peoples who cant consider changing sex as a normal phenomenon
because of their cultural roots. For example, you cant believe that
If there's a great untapped reservoir of leftish populism in the
American masses, why did Kucinich do so badly in the primaries,
1. Kucinich is nice, poor, and white.
2. Kucinich is short: 5 feet 7 inches.
3. 93% of Americans are still unsure about how to pronounce his last name.
and why is
Title: Re: testing
there's no
need to read this. How does the format look?
Somewhat staid, but it flowed nicely.
Scanlan
Alan A. Block, Space, Time Organized Crime:
As a way of initially placing the fascist presence in America, consider
Mussolini's reception in the United States. According to John P.
Diggins' history, Mussolini enjoyed a vast popularity which was a
product of the press. Diggins pointed out that
Title: Re: testing
thanks.
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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Tuesday, August 03, 2004 4:27 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [PEN-L]
testing
[how does this look?]
Alan A. Block, "Space, Time Organized Crime":
As a way of initially placing the fascist presence in America, consider
Mussolini's reception in the United States. According to John P. Diggins'
history, Mussolini enjoyed a "vast popularity" which was a "product of the
Devine, James wrote:
[how does this look?]
Alan A. Block, Space, Time Organized Crime:
As a way of initially placing the fascist presence in America,
consider Mussolini's reception in the United States.
One of those random things one remembers from early youth (8 or 9 at
most). A cartoon
Nuruddin Farah: 'We No Longer Own Our Country' (Nuruddin Farah, a
Somali novelist, writes of what it means to lose one's own country --
utterly):
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/08/nuruddin-farah-we-no-longer-own-our.html
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Greens for
Wal-Mart questioned the validity of the report, saying the authors
undervalued the wages and benefits the chain's employees receive.
The UC report comes from the Berkeley Labor Center, an institute that is
openly supportive of union causes. Although its researchers have in the past
accepted
The labor center was singled out by Arnold for extinction, although the Dems made him
fund the certer. The construction industry is especially hostile to the center.
On Tue, Aug 03, 2004 at 08:07:07PM -0700, Devine, James wrote:
Wal-Mart questioned the validity of the report, saying the authors
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