Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism and dialectical materialism. They aren't Marx's terms. Mine replies: Really? Marx says in Preface to the French edition of Capital (Tucker ed, p.301) the following: "My DIALECTIC METHOD is not only different

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread Jim Devine
Carroll writes" I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical materialism," but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited as *the* philosophical basis for "historical materialism." Right. "a" philosophical basis for Marx's materialist conception of history

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread WSheasby
Those interested in the issue of Naturdialectik or what has been known since Plekhanov as "Dialectical Materialism' may want to read my paper on 'Marx's Ecology: Synthesizing Dialectics of Praxis and Nature" at http://www.egroups.com/files/red-green/ To read it, you'll have to subscribe to the

Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread Charles Brown
Engels uses "materialist dialectics" in _ Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy_. CB Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 10:31AM I wrote: actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism and dialectical materialism. They aren't Marx's

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread Charles Brown
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 11:04AM Carroll writes" I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical materialism," but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited as *the* philosophical basis for "historical materialism." Right. "a" philosophical

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread WSheasby
In my view, while Marx's work before the mid-1850s focuses on a socio-historical theory of knowledge, which necessarily removes Philosophy from its privileged place in a hierarchy of knowledges, Marx's remarks in later life (see his conversations with Alexei Voden and Liebknecht's reminiscences)

Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread md7148
I wrote: actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism and dialectical materialism. They aren't Marx's terms. Mine replies: Really? Marx says in Preface to the French edition of Capital (Tucker ed, p.301) the following: "My DIALECTIC METHOD is not only different

Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread md7148
and "historical materialism" in letters to Joseph Bloch Mine Engels uses "materialist dialectics" in _ Ludwig Feuerbach and the End of Classical German Philosophy_. CB Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/24/00 10:31AM I wrote: actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-24 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/23/00 10:34PM In a message dated 5/23/00 9:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical materialism," but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited as *the* philosophical basis

Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Michael Hoover
Jim Devine: Also, the Nicaraguan Sandinistas argued that the active participation and enthusiasm of the people could substitute for the narrowly-defined forces of production. Not true. okay, but what was true? Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~jdevine Lou

Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Louis Proyect
okay, but what was true? Sandinistas were pragmatists. They sought to develop what can be accurately called a "mixed economy" despite the Reaganite charge that they were Communists. The important difference between their attempt and failed attempts such as Arbenz's in Guatemala is that the

Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Jim Devine
Mine wrote: in any case, a self-identified Marxist would instead use historial materialism. If this methodology has the same connotations with h.m, then why to substitute h.m with a different name? actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism and dialectical

Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread md7148
Mine wrote: in any case, a self-identified Marxist would instead use historial materialism. If this methodology has the same connotations with h.m, then why to substitute h.m with a different name? actually, there are good reasons to avoid the terms historical materialism and dialectical

Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: I made two errors in this thread. (1) it's not "historical materialism" that meshes so well with critical realism; rather, it's "dialectical materialism," which is interpreted as the philosophical basis for "historical materialism." (2) It wasn't Roy Bhaskar who expressed

Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx's life and theory (fwd)

2000-05-23 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 5/23/00 9:56:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I blow hot and cold on the usefulness of the term "dialectical materialism," but even when I warm to it I don't like to see it posited as *the* philosophical basis for "historical materialism." Even