Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-05 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ley Rosser -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 02, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7719] RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends from Hagemann's piece in the Lowe volume: "Bouniatian a

Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-02 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
le in 1998 in Structural Change and Economic Dynamics. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 5:10 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7681] Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends Marx suggested some

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-02 Thread Forstater, Mathew
: Re: Re: recent economic trends Michael, Fair enough. Anybody out there know who was the first to identify bunching specifically with technologically related investment waves? Schumpeter did it in his 1911 Theorie der Wirtschaftlichen Entwicklung (English translation, 1934, The Theory

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-02 Thread Forstater, Mathew
heory of industrial depressions" QJE, 17, pp497ff. -Original Message- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 12:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7711] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends Mat, So, sinc

Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-01 Thread ALI KADRI
I am not sure about this, but keynes and hayek in some correspondence seemed to be in agreement on the causes of the cycle but not on the remedy. It is true that Hayek's use is wrong not only for this but also for methodological reasons. I probably meant that intervention of the usual kind is not

Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
That was my reading of Smith. Jim Devine wrote: Michael Perelman wrote: The actual conspiracy that I was accused suggesting was that Adam Smith wrote in such a way as to intentionally mislead his readers. In that case, the conspiracy consisted of Adams Smith alone. So he must have

Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-01 Thread Jim Devine
At 06:10 AM 2/1/01 -0800, you wrote: Here one must introduce political economy, i.e. War, and a New World order in which immediate re-division and even the old dream of re-colonizing the newly independent states may not be ruled out although highly unlikely since many of these have already

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-01 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7614] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends At 01:29 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote: Marx had a bunching theory tied to replacement wave cycles a la the sort of thing now advocated

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-01 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
ss someone comes up with one first. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7614] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends At 01:29 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote:

Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-02-01 Thread Michael Perelman
Marx suggested something like an echo cycle occurring every ten years, but he never gave a reason for the original bunching. On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 03:44:41PM -0500, J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. wrote: Michael, We are all in full agreement on this business of the replacement cycles and

Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-01-31 Thread Michael Perelman
The investment bunching business cycle theory begins with Marx. Robertson picked it up from him, making it respectable. Hayek got his theory of bunching from Mises. Incidentally, David Laidler's Fabricating the Keynesian Revolution does a good job of telling this story -- without mentioning

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2001-01-31 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
001 12:05 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7587] Re: Re: Re: recent economic trends The investment bunching business cycle theory begins with Marx. Robertson picked it up from him, making it respectable. Hayek got his theory of bunching from Mises. Incidentally, David Laidler's Fabricating the Keynesian Re

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2001-01-31 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Although nobody has asked, the title will be (according to the galley proofs), "Failure of the Washington Consensus on Inequality and Underground Transition Economies." A version with a slightly different title is available on my website. It is coauthored with my wife, Marina. Barkley

RE: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-01-31 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Jr. wrote Ali, It may be Schumpeterian, but it is probably not Hayekian. In the Hayekian case, the overinvestment occurs because monetary policy was "too easy" and pushed the "market rate of interest below the natural rate of interest." Maybe one can argue that the Fed should not

Re: RE: Re: Re: recent economic trends

2001-01-31 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
Lisa Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: [PEN-L:7601] RE: Re: Re: recent economic trends Jr. wrote Ali, It may be Schumpeterian, but it is probably not Hayekian. In the Hayekian case, the overinvestme

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2001-01-31 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
. Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:7603] Re: RE: Re: Re: recent economic trends Ian, Exactly the point. There is no patience. In a true boom there is a mania for the quick return that takes over, and that is seen (rightly at least

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2001-01-31 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:29 PM 1/31/01 -0500, you wrote: Marx had a bunching theory tied to replacement wave cycles a la the sort of thing now advocated by Kydland and Prescott ("real business cycles"). The latter even attribute their beginnings to "technology shocks." But Marx emphasized the demand side