Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-04 Thread Devine, James
Barrister Shemano writes: ... Let's imagine the crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled and all ticket are refunded. The next night, Simon and Garfunkel

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-04 Thread sartesian
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Simon and Garfunkel Barrister Shemano writes: ... Let's imagine the crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled and all ticket are refunded

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-04 Thread Devine, James
on behalf of sartesian Sent: Sun 7/4/2004 2:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Simon and Garfunkel Yeah, but what if a terrorist hijacks Simon and Garfunkel's private jet and crashes into the stage after it was set up

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
as possible. That is, if they find someone who's willing to pay $200 to see Simon Garfunkel, they'll try to figure out how to get him or her to pay that much (using price discrimination). The sellers who benefit the most these days are usually Ticketmaster and ClearChannel rather than

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Devine, James
there was a gross of $2,700,000 for one night's work. The Hollywood Bowl got a leasing fee. The crew was paid. Simon and Garfunkel either received a very hefty fee or a piece of the gate shared with the promoter. Now, from a Marxist perspective, what were the class relations at play? Whose labor

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Doug Henwood
David B. Shemano wrote: How would it work in PEN-Ltopia? Simon Garfunkel would have been sent to the glue factory long ago. Doug

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Waistline2
at an average price of $150, so there was a gross of $2,700,000 for one night's work. The Hollywood Bowl got a leasing fee. The crew was paid. Simon and Garfunkel either received a very hefty fee or a piece of the gate shared with the promoter. Now, from a Marxist perspective, what were

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
Marx 101. Let's imagine the crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled and all ticket are refunded. The next night, Simon and Garfunkel reunite. The crew, pissed

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David the troller writes: Humor me on this. I need some Marx 101. Let's imagine the crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled and all ticket are refunded

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Michael Perelman
Please, no personal attacks. If David were a troller, he could have been very disruptive here. He has not been. I suspect that the thread has exhausted itself. On Fri, Jul 02, 2004 at 07:12:22PM -0400, Kenneth Campbell wrote: David the troller writes: -- Michael Perelman Economics Department

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Michael writes: Please, no personal attacks. If David were a troller, he could have been very disruptive here. He has not been. I honestly did not write David the troller in a negative way. Honestly! I thought he was just here to be the straw that stirs the drink that we all prefer. I think

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
Kenneth Campbell writes: Don't be silly. You are supposedly a lawyer. The refusal to perform negated the contract. But not the contractual duties owed to those expected to aid in the performance. The pathetic spat between the actual performers (in your little hypothetical) does not negate

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David the non-trolled writes: You misunderstand my questions. I am not asking whether the crew should be paid. I am trying to understand the labor theory of value/surplus value/exploitation in context. I don't think I misunderstand your question. I was talking about the value of the crew.

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/2/2004 5:54:30 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's imagine the crew does all their work. They set up the special sound and light systems, etc. However, Simon and Garfunkel get into a fight and refuse to perform, so the show is cancelled

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread David B. Shemano
from a previous exchange. Therefore, I insist on narrowing issues to their most basic. As I understand the Marxist view at its most reductionist, if Simon and Garfunkel hire a electricial and pay him X, the actual value created by the electrician is more than X. What I am trying to understand

Re: Simon and Garfunkel

2004-07-02 Thread Kenneth Campbell
David wrote: I am a reductionist, as some of you may remember from a previous exchange. Therefore, I insist on narrowing issues to their most basic. You write: I insist on narrowing issues to their most basic. I do, too, sir. Survival. Ability to raise kids. Dignity. My dad was working class