I liked Charu's posting on "pomo" debate a lot. I hope you post more (though
not as long all the time). Hope to see you at Rethinking Conference. Cheers,
ajit sinha
Chiming in after long-time hibernation.
The strange co-incidence is that while you penners are discussing
PoMo/marxism, the same struggle is developing here in Norway around the
editorial politics of Europe's only marxist/revolutionary daily
newspaper, KLASSEKAMPEN (="class struggle"). The
BLS DAILY REPORT, FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1996
RELEASED TODAY:
EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- Nonfarm payroll employment increased in
October, and unemployment was unchanged. Payroll employment rose by
210,000, with the largest gains occurring in services and retail trade.
Manufacturing employment
Well, at least you were in good company. Is this materila for column in
newsletter?
I went away for the weekend with the hope that this pomo disc would have
concluded before my return. Apparently not... I guess I'll check back in a
few more days. Gary Olson(Political Science, Moravian College, Bethlehem,
PA)
To steal a phrase from the old man himself, first time tragedy, second
time farce. As a sometime and unofficial librarian for penners'
utterings, I strung together the various postings on pomo vs marx that
occurred a year or two together and it was placed in the archive.
(Michael, where is the
I am not surprised at Maggie Coleman's response to translation of opera
libretti. Many of the stories make the soaps look like social realism.
Even Wagner's great Ring series is totally loopy and there is a marvelous
takeoff by some famous female comedian with a wierd voice as I recall.
She
Trond writes,
And, btw, Chomsky is merciless against f.inst. Lacan and Focault. What have
the PoMo adherents to say this interesting conflict?
Chomsky has control of the most amazing amount of facts about basic
political economic relations. His basic view of the world is similar to
mine (on a
You want to take a quick look at the conditions of intellectuals in Turkey
nowadays?
_
Inter Press Service
October 29, 1996, Tuesday
ANGRY JOURNALISTS PROTEST "OFFICIAL TRUTH"
Doug wrote,
When Habermas said that "technology and science become a leading productive
force, rendering inoperative the condition for Marx's labor theory of
value" and "scientific-technical progress has become an independent source
of surplus value" he contributes to an erasure of the working
At 6:41 AM 11/4/96, Olson, Gary L wrote:
I went away for the weekend with the hope that this pomo disc would have
concluded before my return. Apparently not... I guess I'll check back in a
few more days.
Sorry this bores you, but these are extremely important issues. And I think
there's
Jim Devine,
Sure, I'll absolutely condemn the personal attacks on leftist
professors that have shown up on pen-l. Such attacks don't
belong on pen-l.
Thank you. That is the best way to keep any old battles and other problems,
which you mention as worrisome in the rest of your remarks, out.
Charu has left PEN-L, but asked me to post this.
Doug
I wish to apologize for over-reacting to Doug's light-hearted attempt to
insert some humor into the pomo debates.
However, while I think humor has its uses and place, I hope to ALSO convey
to the list WHY it may not be something that
At 7:44 AM 11/4/96, Blair Sandler wrote:
Doug Henwood, for example, has a way of producing information that often
leads me to new understandings, or at least assists me in developing my
understandings further. Case in point, his great articles in LBO 71 and 72
criticizing David Korten's book,
sorry about this, bill...
There's a move afoot on the West Coast, in Hawaii, and in Alaska
for people to vote "Nader later." The polls here are open quite
late, so that the damn networks will be announcing the winner of
the presidential election _before_ the polls closed. (They've
been
At 7:45 AM 11/4/96, Blair Sandler wrote:
Doug wrote,
When Habermas said that "technology and science become a leading productive
force, rendering inoperative the condition for Marx's labor theory of
value" and "scientific-technical progress has become an independent source
of surplus value" he
On Sun, 3 Nov 1996, Ajit Sinha wrote:
Exploitation and accumulation is not a result of man's
inherent greed or desire to better his condition, but because of the forces
of competition that reduces the capitalists to a cog in the system
Ajit, does this mean that you see
Hi Everybody!
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Ajit Sinha says
One could seriously make the claim that Marx does stand on the boderline of
Modernity and Post-modernity. If you look at the structure of his critique,
it is quite post-modernist in its spirit. For example, look at his critique
of Smith, Malthus, and Ricardo. Now all these
Based on Norwegian experience, It seems obvious to me that our PoMo
gang has one important unmentionable motive for what
they do, the trivial and well-known academic motive of showing off. The
H.C. Andersen story about "The Emperor's New Clothes" very often comes
to mind.
So far, a biased report
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On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Fikret Ceyhun wrote:
Hi Everybody!
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HARSH SENTENCES IN SOUTH KOREA
A South Korean court Tuesday, jailed 51 students and handed
suspended prison terms to another 59 for their participation in
last August's reunification festival that was banned under the
fascist "national security law (NSL)." The verdicts were the first
from
No, opera is opera and pomo is pomo. I was merely observing my own reasons
for loving opera -- I'm sure there are many (hmmm, now that I've said that, I
suppose that's a very pomo statement).
I still read pomo work, in fact, there have been persons, still alive, who
have pointed out some of the
Hi Michael:
Hope you are doing well. Here are my reactions to what you write.
Antonio:
Peter Bohmer was kind enough to forward your pen-l message to me and I
thought perhaps I ought to offer a brief reply.
In the first part you relate how for you pomo made it possible to see the
importance of
Sorry this bores you, but these are extremely important issues. And I think
there's something of a historical turn going on, with the pomo forces on
the defensive for the first time since their rise 20 years ago.
Doug, I must say that this sounds like you had "us pomos" classified
already on
At 4:31 PM 11/4/96, Antonio Callari wrote:
Doug, I must say that this sounds like you had "us pomos" classified
already on the enemy camp. The military metaphor in unmistakable. I shutter
to think of the implications; I shutter more at my realization that perhaps
I was naive in thinking that we
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Maggie,
who are you? I think I like you.
Antonio
No, opera is opera and pomo is pomo. I was merely observing my own reasons
for loving opera -- I'm sure there are many (hmmm, now that I've said that, I
suppose that's a very pomo statement).
I still read pomo work, in fact, there have been
On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 07:22:47 -0800 (PST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I am not surprised at Maggie Coleman's response to translation of opera
libretti. Many of the stories make the soaps look like social realism.
Even Wagner's great Ring series is totally loopy and there is a marvelous
takeoff by some
At 7:44 AM 11/4/96, Blair Sandler wrote:
Doug Henwood, for example, has a way of producing information that often
leads me to new understandings, or at least assists me in developing my
understandings further. Case in point, his great articles in LBO 71 and 72
criticizing David Korten's book,
Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes
and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim?
Shawgi Tell
Shawgi: you didn't ask me, but I don't think Nader will
The difference between [Habermas and Marx] is that Marx could never say that
info and tech were directly productive in themselves,
Correct: he was a Marxist, after all :)
and I doubt he'd have
conceded the (Ziegler-like) inoperativeness of the LTV.
Actually, that's what the quote says. The
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On Mon, 4 Nov 1996, Blair Sandler wrote:
Merhaba Fikret, is it possible to know how you think Nader will change
the present system of the financial oligarchy which effectively marginalizes
and ghettoizes the broad masses of the people? Or is this not his aim?
Shawgi Tell
Shawgi:
On Mon, 4 Nov 1996 09:15:11 -0800 (PST), Doug Henwood
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At 7:45 AM 11/4/96, Blair Sandler wrote:
Doug wrote,
When Habermas said that "technology and science become a
leading productive force, rendering inoperative the
condition for Marx's labor theory of value" and
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