Thanks, Doug - not an easy definition for the likes of me to grasp, but one
that seems to dissolve before the eyes the more one tries to nag it into
showing itself. Allow me to aspire to the role of devil's advocate - not
too happy with a couple of my four points, but I'll chuck 'em in anyway.
Rob Schaap wrote:
(1) The symbolic value of the penis seems to rest on some hegemonic idea
that its presence implies wholeness and its absence some sort of
incompleteness.
Or as Freud charmingly said somewhere, "the difference between the sexes,
the lack of a penis"
(2) As signifier of
At 06:20 PM 13/02/99 -0800, Tom W. wrote:
There's one point that I would differ with Bill on.
I agree that left nationalists have offered a lot of tactical advice. But I
think "fighting" the bourgeoisie is too pugilistic and indiscriminate a term
for what the left should be doing. The left
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Doug:
And most economists, political scientists, and writers in the New York
Review of Books would tell you the same about Marxism.
Actually, Marx is taken much more seriously than Freud nowadays. Freud as
"scientist" has absolutely no authority. All of the main tenets he stressed
(repressed
I have not read the book for more than 20 years, but I recall that Sennett and
Cobb's Hidden Injuries of Class addresses Doug's question without resorting to
psychoanalysis. They found that blue collar workers were pissed off at welfare
recipients because the fact that people could get by
Doug:
Why people embrace politicians and parties against their own material
self-interest is one of the great mysteries of politics. And there's no
doubt that lots of people embraced fascism who later suffered from it. Why
does anti-Semitism have the power it does, even in societies with few or
Louis Proyect wrote:
The
explanation for this is not to be found in Lacan or Zizek. It is much
simpler.
Yes, Louis, life is so simple. So *obvious*. We should just stop wasting
time on all these complexities, shouldn't we? I don't know why I bother,
really. So I'll just shut up here and let the
London Times
July 17, 1997, Thursday
Analysing the analyst
By John Weightman
JACQUES LACAN. An Outline of a Life and History of a System of Thought. By
Elizabeth Roudinesco. Polity Press, Pounds 25. ISBN 0 7456 1523 6
John Weightman lays Lacan bare
Once, at a Parisian dinner party, I
Angela:
'repressed memories', which is to say that term that comes into being
as a juridical proof of a crime, is of course, rubbish, and for many
of the reasons that freud pointed out: namely, that rememberances are
always fantastic rememberances, or at the very least tainted, and
would hardly
Just in case anyone thinks that we all accept Bill Burgess'
interpretation of left politics and political economy because of our
silence in responding to it, let me point out that I do not.
Furthermore, this is an issue that we debated at great length in the
national/international debate a
I confess that I think that the NBER paper that Doug brought to our
attention might be on to something. I remember a time almost 20 years ago
that I visited Toronto for the first time. I did not see much poverty.
The city seemed very well run. Maybe I was naive, but it seemed a stark
contrast
And doesn't the press play up every case where there is a rip-off of the welfare
system?
Show photos of someone arriving to collect a welfare check in a Cadillac...and so on
ad
nauseam?..So the working stiff gets an entirely warped impression of people on
welfare..
There doesn't seem to be much
Bill Burgess wrote,
OK, "fighting" is a crude term. But how can the 'left' "select, prune,
train" and especially "harvest" without political power? Or do you have in
mind some kind of tactical alliance with the most promising capitalist
plants against the bourgeois weeds and deadwood? The NBER
Doug Henwood wrote,
Here's an idea - social democracy is more compatible with "monopolized"
ownership structures than most social democrats would like to admit, and is
undermined by U.S.-style financial and corporate governance arrangements.
It's probably very difficult for U.S. social dems to
why is it that so many people in New York are Freudians and so few in Los
Angeles? is it a simply an unexplainable matter of culture?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/jdevine.html
Quoth Ken Hanly:
And doesn't the press play up every case where there is a rip-off
of the welfare system?
Show photos of someone arriving to collect a welfare check in a Cadillac...
and so on ad nauseam?..So the working stiff gets an entirely warped
impression of people on welfare..
Well yes, but not exactly. Example: the Lander banks in Germany. These
are publicly owned at the state level and make loans to local small
businesses. They play an important role in the social market model--and
the EU (or some elements therein) wants to abolish them.
By the way, this is a
Jim Devine wrote:
why is it that so many people in New York are Freudians and so few in Los
Angeles? is it a simply an unexplainable matter of culture?
All those German Jews who came to the Upper West Side in the 1930s and
1940s brought it with them.
Besides, people in LA are shallow and
Banyacya warned that an endless quest for
material wealth would destroy the balance of the world;
The message of the film Koyaanisqatsi.
regards,
Tom Walker
Jim Devine wrote,
why is it that so many people in New York are Freudians and so few in Los
Angeles? is it a simply an unexplainable matter of culture?
I suspect it's the earthquakes.
regards,
Tom Walker
Was Lacan responsible for the semantic reversal of "overdetermination"?
Actually, it was Lacan's orthodontist who first suggested the reversal.
regards,
Tom Walker
Joseph Green is right on in his observation that Frank runs
into a major difficulty in speaking of Europe as both a high wage
and a low per-capita/low productivity region. Let's not call this a
contradiction yet, but certainly a major problem, which
unfortunately, as Green later noted,
Freud Marx: different kinds of materialism...any comments on below?
Michael Hoover
Philip Green, _Cracks in the Pedestal: Ideology Gender in Hollywood_,
pp. 4...
'"Ideology" has meaning only as an account of an individual's
transactions with a structured social whole, but psychoanalytic
Michael Hoover wrote:
Freud Marx: different kinds of materialism...any comments on below?
Michael Hoover
Philip Green, _Cracks in the Pedestal: Ideology Gender in Hollywood_,
pp. 4...
'"Ideology" has meaning only as an account of an individual's
transactions with a structured social whole,
Damn it, Ken Hanly. Stop popping my bubbles. I used to be very impressed with what
I saw in Canada. Why then did it lack the mean streak that I see on this side of
the border? Did I miss something?
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
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Now here is something I can agree with and
I agree that several of Stiglitz' answers appear to represent a retreat
from his critique of the Washington Consensus. (I saw him debating
Dornbusch et al. in NY and he soft-pedaled his views a bit, although he
defended them when directly attacked.) I would not read too much into
his reluctance
February 16, 1999
The New York Times
How to Make Tenure Fast: A Chain Letter for Scientists
By David Demers
From the sci-tech studies list, an Internet discussion group devoted to
science and society.
Dear Fellow Scientist:
This letter has been around the world at least seven times. It
I don't think that it is altogether true that social welfare programs were
brought in
to serve contingent ruling class interests. If that were so why did the ruling
class consistently oppose progressive measures every step of the way? Minimum
wages, UI and improvements to it, pensions, closed
At 08:35 AM 2/15/99 L. Proyect wrote:
Actually, Marx is taken much more seriously than Freud nowadays. Freud as
"scientist" has absolutely no authority. All of the main tenets he stressed
(repressed memories in particular) have been demolished by real scientists.
Perhaps Proyect will
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"Imagine if we would seriously accept importing the US political model
here! We would start political parties, and of
(From "The Illusions of Postmodernism," Blackwell, 1996)
If postmodernism covers everything from punk rock to the death of
metanarrative, fanzines to Foucault, then it is difficult to see how any
single explanatory scheme could do justice to such a bizarrely
heterogeneous entity. And if the
I understand there were Social Democrats in late 19th century Germany, too.
I do not mean to push the comparison, other than in the sense that not all
welfare state programs are manna from heaven. They are brought in to serve
contigent ruling class interests (in response to popular pressure, of
Michael Perelman wrote,
Damn it, Ken Hanly. Stop popping my bubbles. I used to be very impressed
with what
I saw in Canada. Why then did it lack the mean streak that I see on this
side of
the border? Did I miss something?
Yeah. Maybe you should have visited some place like Davis Inlet or
There has never been a social democratic government in power in Canada at the
Federal
Level. Except for the Rae govt. in Ontario. most provincial social democratic
govts have not been in the area of Canada where the wealthy inheritor firms
are...Ontario, and the Maritimes
Irvine and McCains,
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Louis Proyect wrote:
It is not a great mystery why people act against their own material
self-interest.
Oh yes it is. For one thing, the fact that this happens over and over
again totally negates one of the fundamental tenets of neoclassical
economics: that we're all just
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999, Ken Hanly wrote:
You say that the Phallus is the symbol of authority not the authority itself
You then say that this is analogous to bank credit. But how is bank
credit symbolic? Bank credit is a reality.
A *mediated* reality. It's a claim on some future profit
From an obituary in the NY Times, February 15, 1999
Thomas Banyacya, 89, Who Told of Hopi Prophecy
By ROBERT McG. THOMAS Jr.
Thomas Banyacya, who spent half a century on a tireless and often thankless
Hopi spiritual mission to save the planet from the ravages of modern
materialism and greed,
why is it that so many people in New York are Freudians and so few in Los
Angeles? is it a simply an unexplainable matter of culture?
All those German Jews who came to the Upper West Side in the 1930s and
1940s brought it with them.
Besides, people in LA are shallow and unreflective (except
Peter Dorman wrote:
Was Lacan responsible for the semantic reversal of "overdetermination"?
Another entry from Laplance Pontalis.
Doug
[from Laplanche Pontalis, The Language of Psychoanalysis]
Over-Determination, Multiple Determination
D.: Uberdeterminierung or mehrfache
Was Lacan responsible for the semantic reversal of "overdetermination"?
Freud seems to have appropriated this concept from algebra: if you have
more equations than unknowns (linear systems) either the system is
inconsistent or redundant. In the latter case the extra equations give
you the same
Doug writes: Here's an idea - social democracy is more compatible with
"monopolized"
ownership structures than most social democrats would like to admit, and is
undermined by U.S.-style financial and corporate governance arrangements.
It's probably very difficult for U.S. social dems to admit to
Colin wrote:
On the question of the role of colonial trade in
European growth, however, we risk going back over
ground covered a year ago, when you raised this
question. I raised two points of analysis drawn from
Blackburn's 1997 book; let's call them the
"leading sector" and "scale
Here's an idea - social democracy is more compatible with "monopolized"
ownership structures than most social democrats would like to
admit, and is
undermined by U.S.-style financial and corporate governance arrangements.
It's probably very difficult for U.S. social dems to admit to this,
I absolutely agree with what Doug said below, which is what I was hinting
at.
Here's an idea - social democracy is more compatible with "monopolized"
ownership structures than most social democrats would like to admit, and is
undermined by U.S.-style financial and corporate governance
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I confess that I think that the NBER paper that Doug brought to our
attention might be on to something. I remember a time almost 20 years ago
that I visited Toronto for the first time. I did not see much poverty.
The city seemed very well run. Maybe I was naive, but
Louis Proyect wrote:
If that was only the case. Psychoanalysis has very limited value in
explaining how people behave. For example, when psychoanalysts write about
fascism, they usually go off on the most ridiculous tangents about sexual
attitudes of the German masses, or Hitler's
Violence Hits American Indians at Highest Rate Among Ethnic
Groups
By William Claiborne
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 15, 1999; Page A02
American Indians are victims of violent crimes at more than twice the rate
of all U.S. residents and in nearly three-quarters of the cases
Quoth Louis, in part:
Finally, on the question of whether psychotherapy can help people. For
everyday garden variety neurosis, there simply is no evidence that it can.
The reason for this should be obvious. Capitalism is the main source of
unhappiness, although people are not conscious of its
You see how confusion builds once isolated passages are bounced
around: I was Green, not Brown, who made the criticisms which I
called, in my last posting cited below, undeveloped but on
the right track!
Charles, When time allows I will deal with your questions below.
But please do
Charles, When time allows I will deal with your questions below.
But please do not send truncated passages of mine to Frank, or even
full
postings, as I am writing to pen-l at this point. THe passage you
send him of mine is extremely misleading for someone who has not
followed the argument;
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