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This is the standard pragmatic argument against intervention --- it is
a "quagmire", resulting from tragic hardheadedness in the face of
overwhelming evidence that the venture is too costly. The article
uncritically accepts the premise that NATO's goal is "protecting the
Kosovo Albanians from
On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
Here's a book for Dennis Redmond. Will the Asian economic crisis spell the
end of Hong Kong cinema and the beginning of brain drains? Yoshie
My impression is that the film industry is turning into the video biz, is
all. And then there's Wong
[Dave McReynolds is chair of the Socialist Party in the US, which is firmly
in the Debs tradition, and a long-time peace activist.]
DSA doesn't need help in defending itself. And I'm a fairly neutral voice,
having not renewed my dues, feeling DSA was too unfocused in any direction.
But I have
Friends and co-workers,
Please note the broad range of sponsors. If your group agrees with the
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Max writes:
One part of the [Newtnik] Contract [on America] was the unfunded mandates
bill, which was passed by
Congress and signed immediately by Clinton. Another big part was the tax
stuff, which the Repubs basically got in the 1997 tax bill. Another was
line item veto, which was passed and
At 05:01 PM 4/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
Hi Wojtek,
Thanks for also e-mailing me your comments. The only thing I would add is
that even though, as you yourself wrote, NGOs come out of and are thus
opportune tools against capital, this leaves unsolved the problem of who is
the subjective
I got my message on this muddled up with
mixed counterfactuals. To avoid the Contract on
America we would have had Bush reelected in
1992, although that might have brought us a
Republican Congress then, with Newt as Speaker.
If the counterfactual is a Dole presidency, then that
would not
From Scott Shuger's SLATE column (copyright 1999 Microsoft):
... That such "fog of war" episodes [the "accidental" bombing of civilians
by US/NATO and the confusion aferwards about what really happened] seem
surprising to civilians, given the new image of America's precision
Nintendo military
[getting away from foreign affairs for awhile...]
Sunday, April 11, 1999
NEW YORK: The Price of Safety in a Police State
By AMY WILENTZ
NEW YORK--The newest thing to talk about in New York is upholstery.
Everyone is talking about the city buses. A few lucky passengers have had
the
I have been searching the net in vain to find any site that
discusses DU reinforced shells and cluster bombs as banned
weapons. There are many sites that discuss DU and even some that
discuss cluster bombs and some say that they are banned, but none
give a reference to verify this.. A few posts
This article Doug posted is open and obvious evidence of the military industrial
complex, and direct support and connecton between the ruling class and the
institutions of war and militarism - a sort of smoking gun of capitalist mass murder.
It is some refutation of the arguments being made
Nathan whines about anti-bombing people blaming NATO for
Milosevic's ethnic cleansing.
Seems this must have lit a little bulb in the dim brain of Tony
Blair. Blair claims that Milosevic is ultimately responsible for
the bombing of the refugees no matter who carried it out.
Interesting,
any war
Michael,
By now we have posts on here that show that
quite a few of the assertions in this particular posting
are plain false. Here are some corrections.
1) Although there was a Serbian independence
movement in 1803, it failed. Serbia did not become
independent of the Ottoman Turks
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Michael
Doug to Michael Perelman:
What Democrats stood up and opposed the
present nonsense in Yugoslavia?
Oppose it? They've been cheering it on! We've got our own Nathan Newman as
proof of that.
It's amazing that some people work so hard for the government without being
compensated for their labor at
At 03:54 PM 4/15/99 -0400, Barkley wrote:
Max,
There is democracy, if
somewhat limited, in Serbia. There is none whatsoever in Iraq.
I believe it was Tariq Ali, in message forwarded to pen-l, who referred to
Milosevic as being elected. I assume that, like most elections around the
world, the
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Nathan whines about anti-bombing people blaming NATO for
Milosevic's ethnic cleansing.
I think the word "whines" tips the civility meter a bit, but...
Seems this must have lit a little bulb in the dim
In response to my impassioned plea for a less boring name for the US/NATO
attack on Serbia besides "Operation Allied Force," people on pen-l seem to
have settled on "Operation Just Because." This is not up to pen-l
standards. The problem with OJB is that it's a name that's already been
used to
At 05:05 PM 4/15/99 -0400, Max wrote:
Really. NATO seems to be to blame for everything. Refugees ran
away from NATO bombs, not Serbs. All damage in Kosova is from
NATO bombs, not Serbian tanks etc. Milo's suppression of his
opposition is NATO's fault. NATO ripped Croatia, Bosnia, etc.
out of
On Thursday, April 15, 1999 at 14:00:42 (-0700) Jim Devine writes:
In response to my impassioned plea for a less boring name for the US/NATO
attack on Serbia besides "Operation Allied Force," people on pen-l seem to
have settled on "Operation Just Because." This is not up to pen-l
standards. ...
Max Sawicky wrote:
On a slightly different note, this affair will a good test of the
military Keynesian hypothesis which, incidentally, I have no
vested interest in refuting or supporting; the idea of the
economy depending on military procurement is not implausible to
me. The comments
Dear Mike,
A congressman told me that Clinton has support for his actions in the western
states. You can't get much further west than northern California. What do you think
of the congressman's statement? Somehow I just can't imagine the cowboys and
cowgirls out your way being too taken in by
I'll try to be a bit more civil. However, there are still a number of questions
from my previous posts that are unanswered. Just for starters-why killing people
takes longer than transporting them across long distances. I need to know this
to understand how the NATO bombing may have prevented
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Here is a letter by Canadian Church Leaders opposing the bombing
and setting forth positive
solutions.
I am still waiting for verification that the NDP has changed its
position and does support NATO bombing and
On a slightly different note, this affair will a good test of the
military Keynesian hypothesis which, incidentally, I have no
vested interest in refuting or supporting; the idea of the
economy depending on military procurement is not implausible to
me. The comments discounting military
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of refugees.
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Max Sawicky wrote:
Tsk tsk. Really Walker.
We (I, at least) were talking about macroeconomic policy, real and
mythical, with the grand moniker "military Keynesianism," for which the 80
percent is irrelevant, however poignant. Furthermore, it's not the 3
percent which matters, but the change
STRATFOR's
Global Intelligence Update
April 15, 1999
NATO Presses Russia on Another Front
Summary:
NATO's campaign in Yugoslavia, waged against the fervent
objections of Moscow, has once again driven Russia and NATO into
opposing camps. NATO has also been pursuing relationships in the
The ProvinceThursday, April 15,
1999
MARCH ON BELGRADE NEEDS 200,000
WASHINGTON NATO has detailed plans on how to invade all
of Yugoslavia, not just Kosovo.
Military and political leaders still hope round-the-clock air
strikes will force
Sounds good to me.
Paul Phillips
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I don't think there were any really blatant interferences with the
elections. The oppositions strength lay in the urban centres,
particularly among the middle and 'academic' classes but, as I
posted previously, the political opposition to Milosevic was divided
and badly organized and without
"An uncanny accident, an uncanny accident." Doesn't that make
you sick. I would call it war crimes.
Paul Phillips,
Economics,
University of Manitoba
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Tsk tsk. Really Walker.
We (I, at least) were talking about macroeconomic policy, real and
mythical, with the grand moniker "military Keynesianism," for which the 80
percent is irrelevant, however poignant. Furthermore, it's not the 3
percent which matters, but the change in that amount
The following is an article I have written and submitted to a local
Olympia, weekly (Works In Progress) which has not yet been accepted or
rejected. It is also posted on Znet. I'm fowarding it to these lists as
a representation of one strand of anti-bombing thought. For those who
already oppose
Max Sawicky wrote,
Total military spending is $276 billion, and the GDP
is in the eight trillion neighborhood.
Two hundred and seventy-six is about three and a half percent of 8,000, right?
Or another way of looking at it is about 80% of the income of the bottom 20%
of families.
Three and
the only negative flack comes from the right.
Tom Lehman wrote:
Dear Mike,
A congressman told me that Clinton has support for his actions in the western
states. You can't get much further west than northern California. What do you think
of the congressman's statement? Somehow I just
Jim Devine to Max:
Maybe NATO wanted to prevent the Yugo from taking over the world
auto market.
That's it! You've finally found the basic cause of the whole mess, Max.
Given the irrationality of the campaign against Serbia, maybe an insane
motive such as that sparked the whole process.
Will
It's amazing that some people work so hard for the government without being
compensated for their labor at all. No wonder many Democrats think that
workfare is a great idea.
On the other hand, without the 'welfare reform' and other anti-poor
policies made possible by Clinton, Ltd., the wage
Good heavens, where to start with this? I guess
just a few big ones.
1) Denitch and Williams do at least admit near
the end that bombing will not do the trick and that
ground troops must be introduced. They say that
"some may have to die." And, just how many are
acceptable? Hitler
The Economist
Saturday, April 10, 1999
SUPERMODELS beware: a serial killer is on the loose. In recent
years, once popular models from places as far apart as Sweden,
Germany, Japan and East Asia have all, in turn, been
Jim,
I don't know the details. Anybody else know?
I know that he was the President of the Republic of
Serbia before becoming the President of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia. The shift from being the former
to the latter was partly why the Montenegrins became
more restive as they came
an opinion by Bogdan Denitch and Ian Williams
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The Nation, April 26, 1999
The Case Against Inaction
Sadly, some on the left are angrier about NATO's bombing
than they are about the Serbian forces' atrocities, even though
Milosevic's men have
..
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/09/99 02:28PM
I agree that the armed opposition to Hitler deserves more credit, more
praise. But it's also good to remember that the conservatives and even
moderates who dealt with Hitler didn't know what they were getting in their
fight against bolshevism.
Pen-lers,
Here's an interesting analysis from the World Socialist Web Site
www.wsws.org of what a US declaration of war against Yugoslavia
could bring. Comments?
Seth
WSWS : News Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis
What would be the consequences of a US declaration of
Max,
Good to see that you are still sentient.
1) I am one of those who at several points
effectively declared the UCK/KLA "kaput" on the
ground in Kosmet. But actually Louis P. has forwarded
at least one report (and I have seen others) that claim
that it is not kaput on the ground
Any comments?
Wojtek
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It's funny how debates over whether money buys happiness always
focus on whether *more money* will "buy happiness" for those
already possessed of more than sufficient money.
Does anyone ever ask will money buy happiness for the mother whose
child will die from its own poison unless provided with
At 10:49 AM 4/15/99 -0700, Sam Pawlett wrote:
" A director of a research centre invited his motehr from the provinces to
Santiago. He drove to the airport in his new Peugeot to pick her up.
"Where did
you get this beautiful car?" she exclaimed as she observed all the gadgets on
the dashboard.
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April 18, 1999
"On the Left"
NATO's Vigilante Justice: Worse Than Nothing
Robert Naiman
If truth is the first casualty of war, common sense is in a
body bag nearby. Armed conflict causes people to lose the
ability to reason. This loss of common sense extends to
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
I'll try to answer numerous concerns raised in replies to the original
posting in this thread.
1. Most people who responded agree that NGOs can be many diffrent things,
some of them better than others. That is precisely the point I tried to
get across. NGOs are
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Professor Troude Mictic, born of French-Yugoslav parents, University of
Paris historian and researcher was interviewed by Mexico City's _La Jornada_
reporter Yuriria Iturriaga in Paris on April 10, 1999. These are her notes:
1) This war was began by the West 8 years ago, punishing the
Today's sermonette, on the Knight-Ridder wire. Ran in Birmingham
News, among other places:
http://tap.epn.org/sawicky/sa990414.html
Nit-pickers might notice an error (not a typo); the current
payroll tax cap is $72,600. $68,400 was last year's.
mbs
Michael Perelman wrote:
What Democrats stood up and opposed the
present nonsense in Yugoslavia?
Oppose it? They've been cheering it on! We've got our own Nathan Newman as
proof of that.
I was on a Nation-sponsored panel at the Socialist Scholars Conference this
past weekend, "After Clinton?"
[From SLATE, Copyright 1999 Microsoft. ]
Does Money Buy Happiness? Part II
By Timothy Noah
Chatterbox, following up on the suggestions of several readers, has
been continuing his research into the question of whether money buys
happiness (see "Does Money Buy Happiness?").
First, Chatterbox
Subject: [PEN-L:5312] NYC antiwar rally set for Friday
Friends and co-workers, . . .
I like the spirit of this message. I could go to a rally like
this, albeit with reservations discussed below. It's a nice
corrective to some of the primitive anti-imperialism (or
anti-Albanianism) on this
Needless to say this is a somewhat abstract
counterfactual debate. The one area where I think
one can say things might be better with Clinton than
they would have been with Dole is with regard to
abortion and the Supreme Court. Otherwise, I
fear that Jim D.'s analysis carries a lot of
We can only speculate about how bad Dole would have been, but I think that Bush
represents a close approximation. Bush's supreme court nomination was to the
left of Clinton's. Sure, Dole would have thrown some red meat at the
Republicans, but at the same time he would have given a few Democrats
USA TODAY
April 15, 1999, Thursday, FIRST EDITION
Kosovo crisis boosts stocks of U.S. defense contractors
by Salina Khan
Escalation of the war in Kosovo is likely to bring more business for U.S.
defense contractors. And that's giving a lift to some defense company stocks.
Raytheon --
An effort to reduce/limit criminalization of the poor:
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