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Subject: [PEN-L:6987] Fwd: Re: exploitation in progressive organizations? (was
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2. (...) to have the same goals as the organization,
something profit making businesses do not expect. As a plain old worker in a
company, you are expected to
At 6:56 PM 10/28/96, Ajit Sinha wrote:
At 09:10 AM 10/28/96 -0800, you (Doug Henwood) wrote:
(as if, among other
things, there weren't critiques of decon from the left for being the
essentially conservative thing it is).
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And why is that? Could you elaborate a bit?
Doug Henwood wrote:
For some reason, I've just been reading Baudrillard's absurd book, The
Transparency of Evil. To B., the political economy of the "sign" has
replaced the p.e. of value.
But, Doug: I thought you rejected value theory. Is that a sign that you
have something in common with
At 7:38 AM 10/29/96, Gerald Levy wrote:
But, Doug: I thought you rejected value theory. Is that a sign that you
have something in common with Baudrillard?
One more time, slowly, so even you can understand, Jerry. Value is a
concept, a way of thinking about a social relation. What I object to is
Doug Henwood wrote:
Value is a
concept, a way of thinking about a social relation. What I object to is the
attempt to put numbers on it, to do Marxian econometrics with it.
How can value *only* have a qualitative dimension? By ignoring the
quantitative dimension and the value-form, value
If he is indeed the emperor of the new economic geography, then he is an
emperor who has no clothes.
I completely agree. Krugman (like Michael Porter and other business school
guys) think that they are genius and they pretend as if they discover
everything new. Moreover, they undermine all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure I understand the transposition of my comments from private
progressive organizations to a public sphere. I think the characteristics of
the two sectors are quite different. The public sphere is highly unionized,
and monitored by a phalanx of civil
Regarding a couple of topics from unamerican activities day:
Bill M(ate) might be interested in knowing that Ireland currently has
a system of tripartite wage bargaining between employers federations,
the trade union congress and the government. Interestingly, this
explicitly includes levels
Collective bargaining type models don't work well in progressive
org's because the org shouldn't be using its powerful position as an
employer in the bargaining process. Similarly, the social
consciousness and personalized relationships of the org can be abused
by employees. In one I was
I guess I should explore your web site more because I'm
not clear on what the politics of free time is about.
If it's 'thirty for forty,' then a raft of economic
doubts, or issues, at least, come into play. Work
sharing is a different, more plausible matter, though
I'm not persuaded that it is
Does anyone know of any alternative/unconventional (but reasonable)
measures of market concentration other than the Herfindahl Index?
Also: how does one access the Pen-l archive?
Thanks,
Jason Hecht
Labor Notes also has a new pamphlet out on this. I think it's called
_Our Time_. I leafed through it and it looked pretty good. Their
address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers,
Tavis
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, Tom Walker wrote:
By all means explore my web site more, I'd also recommend the
Does anyone know of any alternative/unconventional (but reasonable)
measures of market concentration other than the Herfindahl Index?
some suggestions:
consider i= industry s= PMSA SUMs = summation over PMSA s
CONi=concentration of industry i EMPis Employment of industry i at PMSA s;
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Tom Walker wrote:
Roediger and Foner argue "The length of the workdays... has historically
been the central issue raised by the American labor movement during its most
dynamic periods of organization".
That may be true, but there is some controversy among labor historians
regarding how
If you don't mind first completing a very standard core of macro/micro
etc., I would recommend looking into UC Riverside. Howard Sherman, Gary
Dymski, Steve Cullenberg, Bob Pollin, Victor Lippit, Ronald
Chilcote (and others) are just some of the people you can work with in
political economy.
Alejandro Valle Baeza writes that: I think that Dumenil et al
showed that rate of profit is falling in the long run in the US
economy.
The last book that Alejandro cites Dumenil Levy, The Economics
of Profit Rate, does not show a downward trend from 1869 to the
present. Rather, the data
Jim: You wouldn't call the period since 1952 [44 years] the "long run"?
Given what Dumenil Levy [no relation, I think, JL] write below, isn't
Alejandro's quote accurate?
Jerry
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alejandro Valle Baeza writes that: I think that Dumenil et al
showed
Jim Devine writes:
But decentralized
democracy (worker co-ops, community co-ops, etc.) have been
central to alternatives to social-democratic and Marxist-Leninist
statism.
Comment: Social democratic governments surely are strongly in favor
of co-ops. Indeed, provinces such as Manitoba and
Jerry (no known relation to Dominique) Levy asks:
Jim: You wouldn't call the period since 1952 [44 years] the
"long run"? Given what Dumenil Levy ... write ..., isn't
Alejandro's quote accurate?
I don't know what exactly Alejandro was saying (and I do not want
to argue with him), but since
I have followed the debate about exploitation in progressive organisations
with interest. I think perhaps this also has a parallel with economics -
that is, "labour" in government (certainly in recent times) have pursued
economically rationalist policies, when in opposition they try to define
Why does a choice have to be made between private capitalist--or
even private cooperative--ownership on the one hand and state
ownership albeit a democratic state on the other? This is
to presuppose that property is one thing and must be vested
whole and entire in one kind of social actor or
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, Terrence Mc Donough wrote:
Collective bargaining type models don't work well in progressive
org's because the org shouldn't be using its powerful position as an
employer in the bargaining process. Similarly, the social
consciousness and personalized relationships of
I work in a unionized setting, so, it is not necessary for me to adopt the
goals of the company I work for. However, it seems that non-union workers,
especially those on the fast track up, do need to adopt company goals. I
still think, though, that non-profits require a dedication which is not
The problem with all indexes measuring market concentration, including
Herfindahl, is deciding what makes up a company in an industry. Since the
merger and diversification craze of the 1980s, most corporations own pieces
of very diverse markets. The other problems with all concentration indexes
Ellen Dannin wrote:
Actually, I think the opposite is the case. The organization needs to
admit it IS an employer vis a vis these employees and to decide that it
wants to be a progressive model of an employer. Instead, what I have
observed happens most often is that the organization
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