[PEN-L:8711] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-02-19 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1996: __Prices received by producers of finished goods declined 0.3 percent in January, reflecting decreases in food and energy products, BLS reports. the O.3 percent seasonally adjusted drop in the Producer Price Index for Finished Goods is the first

[PEN-L:8713] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread blairs
What Blair described is the ocassional human contract that manages to seep into market society. Such events are so extraordinary that they need to be singled out for comment. I am off to Walmart Michael Perelman Michael, was that "human *contract*" or "human *contact*?" Serious

[PEN-L:8715] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread blairs
Anders, thanks for your response to my comments about "academic dreamers" and all that. I think/hope if/when you see my paper you'll find it interesting, relevant and useful. Blair Blair Sandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] "It is astonishing what foolish things one can

[PEN-L:8716] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread William S. Lear
On Wed, February 19, 1997 at 07:29:33 (PST) Rich Parkin pointed out a semantic oversight in my parody of Blair Sandler's (rhetorical?) question about markets. Rich observes: The difference is that "market" and "market" are synonyms. "Rape" and "sex" are not! Perhaps I should have phrased it

[PEN-L:8721] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread Robin Hahnel
I completely agree with the healthiness and usefulness of the thought expressed by Harry Cleaver as: "We've just GOT to be able to do better than this" --- "this" being capitalism.

[PEN-L:8722] Open Letter to the faculty and staff at Carleton (fwd)

1997-02-19 Thread D Shniad
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Feb 19 11:52:03 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:40:09 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Stuart Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Open Letter to the faculty and staff at Carleton Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, February 19, 1997 An open letter to the

[PEN-L:8726] Re: progressive taxation

1997-02-19 Thread Max B. Sawicky
On 18 Feb 97 at 8:46, Nathan Newman wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a lot of truth to that, especially in Western Europe back when social democracy ruled. But here in the US, if I am not mistaken, the big increases in the progressiveness of the tax

[PEN-L:8728] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: Jim Westrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:8727] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut At 12:05 PM 2/19/97 -0800, Robin Hahnel wrote: I'd start, of course, with not spending two thirds of my federal taxes on the military and debt service. This is a minor

[PEN-L:8730] asteriod political economy

1997-02-19 Thread Gerald Levy
Max Sawicky wrote, Of course, when an asteroid exceeding about 2 mi. in diameter hits the earth, it will have paid to borrow after all, since much of the consequent interest payments will be avoided. You're taking the plot lines for recent made-for-tv movies a little too much to heart.

[PEN-L:8729] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Tom Walker
Max Sawicky wrote, Of course, when an asteroid exceeding about 2 mi. in diameter hits the earth, it will have paid to borrow after all, since much of the consequent interest payments will be avoided. However, if the money was borrowed to finance speculation on real estate, the capital gains

[PEN-L:8727] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Jim Westrich
At 12:05 PM 2/19/97 -0800, Robin Hahnel wrote: I'd start, of course, with not spending two thirds of my federal taxes on the military and debt service. This is a minor point in relation to this overall thread (which I find interesting and useful for a Free Skool/Open University of the Left

[PEN-L:8725] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread Max B. Sawicky
On 18 Feb 97 at 12:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Anders, but I think the differences between me and Max (and Max's comment was a response to me) have nothing to do with concrete, practical activity in the here-and-now versus fantasy projections about some imagined future.

[PEN-L:8724] Re: market socialism, income tied to labor?

1997-02-19 Thread Laurence Shute
Only a thought: Why is it that income in a society must be tied to labor, a la MRP or otherwise? Larry Shute At 01:29 PM 2/19/97 -0800, you wrote: While one might hope that relative wages in a workers' managed market socialism would be set according to some criterion other than marginal revenue

[PEN-L:8723] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Robin Hahnel
While one might hope that relative wages in a workers' managed market socialism would be set according to some criterion other than marginal revenue products -- as Rosser implies they would/could be -- I know of no analyst of such a system who does not conclude that the labor market in such a

[PEN-L:8720] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Robin Hahnel
I was only remarking that in central planning wage rates do not have to be equal to marginal revenue products in order to achieve static efficiency. In market socialism, it seems to me they do. And that includes employee managed market socialism a la Vaneck. I know that wage rates were not fair

[PEN-L:8719] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Robin Hahnel
The market teaches people that they DESERVE to get in accord with the market determined value of their contribution. The market teaches people to think that way every day -- just ask my students! But progressive taxation requires one to think that to each according to the market value of his or

[PEN-L:8718] Re: market socialism, planned socialism, ut

1997-02-19 Thread Robin Hahnel
I agree with PBurns that central planning does not necessarily solve external effect inefficiencies. What is required is for normal procedures to correctly signal social costs and benefits. Trying to correct after the fact is both intellectually and politically daunting -- as in, it won't happen

[PEN-L:8717] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread Michael Perelman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What Blair described is the ocassional human contract that manages to seep into market society. Such events are so extraordinary that they need to be singled out for comment. I am off to Walmart Michael Perelman Michael, was that "human *contract*" or

[PEN-L:8714] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread blairs
On Tue, February 18, 1997 at 16:22:18 (PST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I just wrong, perhaps overly romanticizing, if I suggest that markets can be fun when they are highly contextualized, a small part of an extensive network of non-market relations? [...] And Bill replies, Excuse the venom,

[PEN-L:8712] Re: market socialism, planned socialism

1997-02-19 Thread Rich Parkin
On Tue, February 18, 1997 at 16:22:18 (PST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I just wrong, perhaps overly romanticizing, if I suggest that markets can be fun when they are highly contextualized, a small part of an extensive network of non-market relations? [...] Excuse the venom, but: Am I just

[PEN-L:8710] Student Occupation At York University Comes To An End (Canada)

1997-02-19 Thread SHAWGI TELL
The student occupation of York University President Susan Mann's offices came to an end on the morning of Sunday, February 16. Both Metro police (called in by the York administration) and campus security were in full force when the protesters, who have been occupying her office since Tuesday,

[PEN-L:8709] Insurmountable Difficulty Facing The World Bourgeoisie: The Hiatus

1997-02-19 Thread SHAWGI TELL
One of the greatest difficulties facing the financial oligarchies of the entire world surfaced at their "World Economic Forum's" annual meeting held on February 1-2 in Davos, Switzerland. According to media reports, "Economic globalization, once seen as an unstoppable trend, is running up