Ron,
Thanks for this reference, but I am somewhat mystified by the critique as
you present it. I will read the book this summer, but in the meantime can
you explain my puzzlememt. According to ypu, Pierson has two main
objections to market socialism.
1) A market socialist economy cannot be a
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, James Devine wrote:
It's important to remember that there's a very important theoretical reason
to categorically reject market mechanisms: it encourages us to develop
alternatives, as Albert and Hahnel have done. I've talked to Robin Hahnel
and he says he doesn't reject
A thoroughly comprehensive source on all this is the
new two volume set of readings from Edward Elgar, 1996,
_Producer Cooperatives and Labor-Managed Systems_, ed. by
David L. Prychitko and Jaroslav Vanek. It covers a wide
range of both theoretical and practical cases.
Barkley Rosser
On
As usual, Rahul Mahajan has provided an informed
and scholarly commentary on the question at hand,
namely the relevance or lack thereof to socialism. A
few points in response:
1) Payoffs can be variable, not just single
values for given outcomes.
2) Cooperation involves the
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Max Sawicky wrote,
If there is any objection to my posting
this to this list, please let me know and
I will of course comply with the rules of
the group.
Max,
I look forward to reading the EPI issue brief, but I would suggest that
large files such as this be made available -on request- from
I've been reading James Miller's book on Foucault, which I'm enjoying
tremendously, even if some members of the Foucault Industry find it trashy.
Miller says that in the late 1970s, Foucault became interested in in Hayek,
von Mises, and 19th century liberalism. Miller said Foucault found some
Michael Perelman wrote:
Maybe we could redo the old sci-fi classic: invasion of the brain
snatchers.
Wasn't it invasion of the _body_ snatchers? Besides, there was a re-make
of the classic movie in the early '80's (?) with Donald Sutherland. The
original was better (although I liked the
you are probably right. He was using Hayek -- at best -- to support
market socialism.
thanks again.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 916-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Finally, some very good news for the left and labor movement. After
a long, bitter struggle, the LA Living Wage ordinance passed 12 - 0, with
three abstensions. Mayor Richard Riordan had promised to veto the
ordinance, but with a 12-vote majority, the ordinance is now veto proof!
Jim Devine wrote,
The laws of quantum mechanics imply that Hayek couldn't have been wrong
_all the time_. But I think it's bad karma to bring up Hayek on pen-l,
because there are Hayekian lurkers about who will bombard us with the Truth
about Hayek.
Now hold on just a moment! Am I the only one
Yes, the re-make was made in Wampum, Pa. pop. around 200, about 5 miles
from my home town. I knew that it was the body snatchers, but in an era
of downsizing ...
Michael Perelman wrote:
Maybe we could redo the old sci-fi classic: invasion of the brain
snatchers.
Wasn't it invasion
The laws of quantum mechanics imply that Hayek couldn't have been wrong
_all the time_. But I think it's bad karma to bring up Hayek on pen-l,
because there are Hayekian lurkers about who will bombard us with the Truth
about Hayek.
in pen-l solidarity,
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Doug Henwood wrote:
a Foucaultian on the Spoons
Foucault list said:
The most important effect of
(neo-)liberalism for Foucault was the link it offers between the
subject and the state, the private and the public, it constitues at
the same time the ground for the
There is nothing unreasonable about taking a close look at Hayek. His
theory of information in an economy (tacit local, the role of
discovery) is excellent, although it is weighed down with considerable
baggage. I wouldn't go so far as to say there is a "left Hayekian"
position, but it is
I just got Gamble's Hayek: The Iron Cage of Liberty. It is a paen to
Hayek. He concludes by saying to forget H's neanderthal politics. Why
even socialists can learn from him how to perfect socialist society!
How far we have come!
Maybe we could redo the old sci-fi classic: invasion of the
How could the market be an "alternative"? an alternative to what? to
socialism? it's clearly not an alternative to capitalism.
This is a little glib, Jim. You know perfectly well that there are serious
socialists, a fair number of us, who do argue that market socialism _is_
an alternative to
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, James Devine wrote:
BTW, I want to emphasize that I cannot speak for Robin Hahnel. He said he
thought "market socialism" might be a reasonable transition phase (a
compromise that might be forced on the socialist movement) in a private
conversation which I might
Technology marches on. Attached via MIME
is EPI's work and welfare issue brief in
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With the reader you can read and print
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me know
A few thoughts on market socialism:
1. There were markets before capitalism; there will be markets after
capitalism.
2. Socialism will have to be a mixed economy, if not internally then
externally in its trade with nonsocialist economies. The system will
inevitably have nonsocialist
to Patrick B.: I didn't know Roemer had sunk that low, getting so wrapped
up in the market mystique.
Justin S. writes that: we need to develop alternatives, market and
nonmarket. I am glad taht there are people who categorically reject markets
and so work on nonmarket
alternatives, but the need
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can be found by visiting our Web site (see address in signature).
We would like to
Actually Ken, Rawls is a lot more historical than he looks at first blush,
and has become more so in recent years. Even in A Theory of Justice, Rawls
holds that the special theory of justice defended there applied only in
the circumstances of justice, roughly where the subordive condition of
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Shane Mage wrote:
This is strange. Where in the world are "etc."? Why talk of "Zaire" when
the "rebels" (whose overwhelming mass support is now evident) call for the
liberation of (Lumumba's) Congo, not (Mobutu's) "Zaire?" And why does a
blind and desperate
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