[PEN-L:10220] Talks Continue On NATO-Russian Pact

1997-05-19 Thread SHAWGI TELL
Representatives of NATO and the Russian Federation ended talks on Tuesday, May 6 with an agreement "to intensify negotiations in order to reach agreement at the earliest possible date." NATO Secretary-General Javier Solana and Russian Foreign Secretary Yevgeny Primakov did not issue a joint

[PEN-L:10221] Re: Letter from Chief Sealth 1855

1997-05-19 Thread HANLY
I think Jim Craven is just wrong on this. I have given specific references where this matter has been discussed. The one reference in particular is to an environmentalist who certainly would be happy if the quoted "letter" were valid. The original translation of the Seattle speech is available in

[PEN-L:10219] War and Primitive Accumulation

1997-05-19 Thread PHILLPS
In his section on primitive accumulation in volume one of Capital, Marx writes: "The public debt becomes one of the most powerful levers of pof primitive accumulation The destructive influence that it exercises on the condition of the wage-labourer concerns us less however, here, than the

[PEN-L:10217] planning and democracy

1997-05-19 Thread James Devine
Bill Lear writes: Perhaps Jim Devine, who seems to have a cool head about this, can intercede and tell me if I am being unreasonable. I feel the flames rumbling---but that's how I respond when I feel that democracy is being swept aside as some romantic fantasy, and that engaging in queries about

[PEN-L:10216] Re: influence? -Reply

1997-05-19 Thread Tom Walker
Doug Henwood wrote that his reading of employment-GDP numbers confirmed the ILO's assertion that "the main problem in countries with high unemployment is slow growth, not a change in the employment intensity of growth." Doug's brackets -- whether growth in itself is good or sustainable -- could

[PEN-L:10213] Meeting the Enemy

1997-05-19 Thread Michael Eisenscher
Thanks to Art Shostak for passing this along. It may be useful for those of us who have been unable to participate due to being rhetorically challenged or linguisticly disabled. "Symbolic analysts of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your obscurantism." Michael

[PEN-L:10214] jobless growth

1997-05-19 Thread James Devine
As far as I can tell, the term "jobless growth" makes sense in two different ways. (1) in a recovery period like circa 1992 in the US, businesses respond to increased demand for their products by using "overhead workers" (long-term employees) more intensively and extensively (longer hours)

[PEN-L:10215] Re: locality -- loyalty?

1997-05-19 Thread Wojtek Sokolowski
As I see it, the disagreement between Bill and myself boils down to one point: what is the actual effect, if any, of formal structures, institutions and people who hide behing them on the everyday behaviour of the so-called "ordinary" people? Beside that one point, I do not think that anyone can

[PEN-L:10212] Re: profits, part 2

1997-05-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Doug Henwood wrote about the synchronization of profit rates. Might this indicate globalization, in contrast to the Feldstein-Horioka data? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 916-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[PEN-L:10211] Re: Letter from Chief Sealth 1855

1997-05-19 Thread James Michael Craven
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[PEN-L:10210] profits, part 2

1997-05-19 Thread Doug Henwood
A footnote to my posting on US profitability. In its Economic Outlook, the OECD publishes data on "rates of return on capital in the business sector," which they don't define in the volume (but which may be described in the documentation available on their web site). Most countries exhibit a

[PEN-L:10207] FW: BLS Daily Report

1997-05-19 Thread Richardson_D
BLS DAILY REPORT, THURSDAY, MAY 15, 1997 RELEASED TODAY: CPI -- On a seasonally adjusted basis, the CPI-U rose 0.1 percent in April, the same as in March. The food index, which was unchanged in March, declined 0.2 percent in April The energy index declined for the second consecutive

[PEN-L:10206] Globalisation, socialist utopias, EU

1997-05-19 Thread Rosenberg, Bill
Some thoughts on the last few days' discussion: 1. I see no contradiction between nationalism and internationalism - though I do between chauvinism and internationalism, and between nationalism and "transnationalism" in the sense of international capitalism. I call myself an internationalist

[PEN-L:10205] Re: influence?

1997-05-19 Thread Rosenberg, Bill
Doug Henwood asked Can anyone tell me how much influence the End of Work/Jobless Future thesis has within organized labor - U.S. and the rest of the world? Note sure about this specifically, but the Council of Trade Unions (CTU) here, which is the main central TU body, seems to take a lot of

[PEN-L:10204] influence? -Reply

1997-05-19 Thread Patrick Bond
Doug, from Johannesburg, Rifkin was on the radio here a few months ago, but ironically notwithstanding SA's present jobless growth situation (3.1% GDP increase in 1996, and tens of thousands of net jobs lost in the private sector) there's been no effort to draw the End of Work arguments in either

[PEN-L:10209] Re: influence? -Reply

1997-05-19 Thread Doug Henwood
Patrick Bond wrote: SA's present jobless growth situation (3.1% GDP increase in 1996, and tens of thousands of net jobs lost in the private sector) How does this compare with the past, and with population growth? I worked up the employment-GDP numbers for the U.S., Japan, and Western Europe

[PEN-L:10228] follow-up on Carson text

1997-05-19 Thread GARNETT
Dear Pen-lers, In case anyone else is interested, I wanted to share the results of my search for a current edition of Robert Carson's _Economic Issues Today_. First, thanks to Michael Hoover for sending me the title and other useful information about the book. This

[PEN-L:10232] Re: Holy Binary Males

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-05-15 19:22:13 EDT, you write: Holy Binary Males, Doug. So, there are only two approaches to network discourse, excessive violence and excessive length (you boastful fellow) or silence. Now, how do we know he IS

[PEN-L:10233] Re: Holy Binary Males

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-05-15 19:22:13 EDT, you write: Holy Binary Males, Doug. So, there are only two approaches to network discourse, excessive violence and excessive length (you boastful fellow) or silence. Now, how do we know he IS boastful? maggie

[PEN-L:10234] Re: Re EU

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
So, Trevor, are you saying that international trade groups like eu and nafta have the potential to be 'turned' or used to progressive purposes where nationalistic movements might fail? While I don't dispute the attractiveness of such an idea, I would think that union or popular movements in

[PEN-L:10237] that says it all

1997-05-19 Thread Mark Weisbrot
"The point is that we and our friends control the keys to the clubs and the treasuries that Kabila will need to tap if he is going to rebuild the country -- the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, our development funds, and those of the Europeans." -- Chester Crocker, former

[PEN-L:10238] Re: that says it all

1997-05-19 Thread ZAHNISER STEVEN SCOTT
It is so nice to see that Chet Crocker is still "constructively engaged." Steven Zahniser [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 19 May 1997, Mark Weisbrot wrote: "The point is that we and our friends control the keys to the clubs and the treasuries that Kabila will need to tap if he is going to

[PEN-L:10236] Re: Is there any silver lining in NAFTA?

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
I think this is an interesting idea--unfortunately, the groups in a position to set up international pressure on nafta, mainly unions, do not seem to be doing a great job of international communication. This is too bad, because there are strong union structures in all three countries which could

[PEN-L:10235] Re: Time Out for Cyber Art

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
superb. maggie

[PEN-L:10231] Re: The EU: against wishful thinking

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-05-15 17:49:44 EDT, you write: If I get any more self-conscious, I might end up some sort of Hegelian pretzel. Can we get pictures? :-) :-) But no matter. I've been on several feminist lists where men have been rebuked for their style of debate. After a brief exchange,

[PEN-L:10230] Re: Tavis, you're *still* wrong

1997-05-19 Thread MScoleman
In a message dated 97-05-15 17:42:10 EDT, you write: Marshall Feldman wrote: Now there's a resurgence of local breweries, but their market share is small and production does not have to be local. The "local" content is the recipe. For instance, I think Boston's Sam Adams is brewed under

[PEN-L:10229] MAI Mexico (fwd)

1997-05-19 Thread D Shniad
Forwarded message: Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 01:18:41 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bob Olsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MAI Mexico Message forwarded by Bob Olsen.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hendrik) Subject: Poor Journalism From Mexico From: Norman Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Via:

[PEN-L:10227] Re: Ricardo on efficiency wages?

1997-05-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Here is what i posted: Ricardo, Principles, Works, vol. 1 395: "Machinery and labour are in constant competition, and the former can frequently not be employed until labour rises." 395: "In America and many other countries, where the food of man is easily provided, there is not surely such great

[PEN-L:10226] Ricardo on efficiency wages?

1997-05-19 Thread Gil Skillman
PEN'rs: A long time ago someone on the list, maybe Michael Perelman, cited a passage in Ricardo's _Principles of Political Economy and Taxation_ which seemed to anticipate modern "efficiency wage" theory, to the effect that higher wages can induce higher levels of worker effort or quality. If

[PEN-L:10225] Re: Letter from Chief Sealth 1855

1997-05-19 Thread James Michael Craven
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[PEN-L:10224] EU - Reply to Sid

1997-05-19 Thread Trevor Evans
I am grateful to Sid for posting the ecologist article, which I thought was an unusually well-researched statement of the anti-EU postion. However, I think that Sid - and the Ecologist - fail to distinguish sufficiently between the EU and the Maastricht Treaty. I agree with the criticism that

[PEN-L:10222] Re: locality -- loyalty?

1997-05-19 Thread William S. Lear
On Mon, May 19, 1997 at 09:41:20 (-0700) Wojtek Sokolowski writes: As I see it, the disagreement between Bill and myself boils down to one point: what is the actual effect, if any, of formal structures, institutions and people who hide behing them on the everyday behaviour of the so-called

[PEN-L:10223] Re: jobless growth

1997-05-19 Thread Terrence Mc Donough
Jim D writes: (2) if the long-term growth rate of labor productivity accelerates, then a constant growth rate of real GDP can be associated with a falling growth rate of employment (labor-power demand). The growth rate of employment may fall below that of the labor force, causing unemployment