From Andrew Berry's review of "Footsteps in the Forest: Alfred Russel
Wallace in the Amazon" by Sandra Knapp.
Full article at: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v22/n10/berr2210.htm
It is the difference in their responses to the fame afforded by their
discovery of natural selection that most obviously sets
CB: If you are looking for faux socialism ( state monopoly
capitalism) look at how the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve
Bank, bailed out that giant hedge fund when it failed. Or Chrysler
, before it was Daimler.
How much money did the U.S. government commit to Long Term Capital
BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, MAY 15, 2000
__Producer prices for finished goods fell 0.3 percent last month as prices
charged by oil refiners for products such as gasoline and home heating oil
recorded their largest decline in 9 years, BLS reported. Sharp increases in
energy costs caused 1 percent
From Modern Maturity Magazine, "The Allure of Money"
Full article at: http://www.aarp.org/mmaturity/jul_aug00/allure.html
Who doesn't want to be a millionaire? More people than you might think. In
an exclusive AARP-Modern Maturity survey, "Money and the American Family,"
27 percent of men and a
Doyle Saylor wrote:
The problem of course with feelings are the many examples of how intense
feelings lead into abuses. Feelings are central to human beings, but our
means of understanding these things are not very much advanced beyond what
expletives do. One may argue as Michael does
That, of course, would be impossible. Instead, I apply a somewhat rigid him,
somewhat arbitrary judgment. That is the best that can do.
--
Michael Perelman
My experience with rigid hims has been mixed. The last time I applied a
rigid him on the Marxism list, it led to anonymous obscene phone
Voice recognition, early in the morning, makes for wonderful poetry.
Louis Proyect wrote:
That, of course, would be impossible. Instead, I apply a somewhat rigid him,
somewhat arbitrary judgment. That is the best that can do.
--
Michael Perelman
My experience with rigid hims has been
I agree. I've seen him some people, for example Max and Lou, say the most
insulting things to each other, but with with an underlying sense of humor.
. . .
Actually I was laughin' on the outside
but cryin' on the inside.
mbs
Mine,
Cursing is ok sometimes. Clean language all the time is too church/religious like. It
is good to curse at capitalism and alienation.
Charles
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A lot of people use in this list the word "bullshit". why? is it a way
of stressing out? or a part of common
ohh, nothing "personal", indeed. I was just making a general observation..
I have seen worse cases like "why don't you play your Alpha male show?"
It seems to me "veiled personal affronts" are more effective ways of
making one's point than "direct" and "open" affronts.. they can be
sometimes
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Max, I will try to be more sensitive next time.
Max Sawicky wrote:
Actually I was laughin' on the outside
but cryin' on the inside.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 11:45AM
Mine,
Cursing is ok sometimes. Clean language all the time is too
church/religious like. It is good to curse at capitalism and alienation.
Charles
dear charles, the point was *not* about cursing capitalism since
I curse it all the time. I also curse
At 07:57 PM 05/15/2000 -0700, you wrote:
CB: If you are looking for faux socialism ( state monopoly
capitalism) look at how the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve
Bank, bailed out that giant hedge fund when it failed. Or
Chrysler , before it was Daimler.
How much money did the U.S.
Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 10:47AM
At 07:57 PM 05/15/2000 -0700, you wrote:
CB: If you are looking for faux socialism ( state monopoly
capitalism) look at how the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve
Bank, bailed out that giant hedge fund when it failed. Or
Chrysler , before
Is the following true or false ?
. In the developing
countries the numerical growth of the industrial working class was
greater than in any other part of the world in the thirty years from
1960 to 1990. It grew from 88 million to 192 million.
In the Newly Industrialising Countries (the
RE
Twenty-five of the children were sex reassigned, meaning doctors
castrated them at birth and their parents raised them as girls.
But over the years, all of the children, currently aged 5-16,
exhibited the rough-and-tumble play of boys. Fourteen declared themselves to
be
CB: Yes, we must use non-sexist,non-racist curse words, and bullshit is
anti-male so it is ok. A bull is a male. So bullshit is knocking males,
not females. Therefore it is non-sexist. It does not have a sexist
connotation, that is why it is a good curse word to use. _
true.I did not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 12:52PM
CB: Yes, we must use non-sexist,non-racist curse words, and bullshit is
anti-male so it is ok. A bull is a male. So bullshit is knocking males,
not females. Therefore it is non-sexist. It does not have a sexist
connotation, that is why it is a good curse
Would we conclude that hormones have no impact on behavior ?
CB
"Eric Nilsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 12:52PM
RE
Twenty-five of the children were sex reassigned, meaning doctors
castrated them at birth and their parents raised them as girls.
But over the years, all of the
At 07:47 AM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
At 07:57 PM 05/15/2000 -0700, you wrote:
CB: If you are looking for faux socialism ( state monopoly
capitalism) look at how the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve
Bank, bailed out that giant hedge fund when it failed. Or Chrysler ,
before it was
EXACTLY, Eric! very true points..
Mine
ps: continue dressing your baby in gender-neutral clothes!!
RE
Twenty-five of the children were sex reassigned, meaning doctors
castrated them at birth and their parents raised them as girls.
But over the years, all of the children,
agreed. in the final analysis, of course, i am looking for a world where
neither males nor females is to be knocked.. but knocking the knocker
is the safest position untill we get there.
comradely,
Mine
___ CB: This gets to be refined talk about shit. But if we are
looking to "clean" up
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 01:55PM
yes, because many males that have male hormones are not necessarily males
in the conventional sense.I don't think that they are "abnormal" because
they have "different" hormones.
_
CB: What do hormones do ? Anything ? Even if some males'
Yes, Eric. It is a difficult question. How much is behaviour controlled by chemicals,
genes, etc. and how much is it learned behaviour? I don't know the answer. But there
are many who do claim to know. The biological determinist are one group and the
cultural determinists are another. I am fairly
Rob Schaap wrote:
Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging
each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others'
backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making
sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a very
process, etc. etc. I'm reminded of that Barbara Krueger caption to a
photo of a football game - "You devise elaborate rituals to touch
each other."
Oh, sorry, this isn't economics.
Doug
Did I ever mention that the cafeteria at Goldman-Sachs, where I used to
work in the late 80s, was
Rod writes:
... It is a difficult question. How much is behaviour controlled by
chemicals, genes, etc. and how much is it learned behaviour? I don't know
the answer. But there are many who do claim to know. The biological
determinist are one group and the cultural determinists are another. I
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 02:38PM
NO.
__
CB: So, hormones do nothing ? They are like the appendix ? the tonsils ?
or which behavior do you have in mind?
CB: Sexual behavior. Seems to me that some people's sexual behavior is influenced by
hormones. It does not
At 11:55 AM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
RE
Would we conclude that hormones have no impact on behavior ?
I don't know. Very possibly hormones might have some impact on behavior.
But the issue is: what percent of behavior is explained by hormones?
My opinion, worth the electronic paper I
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 03:25PM
I don't think these issues can be quantified in this way (though maybe I've
been influence by Stephen J. Gould too much).
Biology sets limits (that can be modified by technology), whereas culture
seems to determine how we live within those
all
it will need to do. Until a Chinese commitment to change is secured,
voting no on permanent normal trading status is necessary to ensure a more
democratic future.
- - -
Harley Shaiken Is a Professor Specializing on Labor and the Global Economy
at Uc Berkeley
http://www.latimes.com/news/comment/2000
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Max Sawicky wrote:
LOS ANGELES TIMES
Tuesday, May 16, 2000
China, Mexico: Same Depressing Tale on Labor Rights
World affairs: Economic openness doesn't cure all ills, as we have learned
with NAFTA.
By HARLEY SHAIKEN
I have a feeling that this question of
Very nice article, Max. Brad tended to write about the Africa bill as if it
were choice between helping Africa or helping the United States. In fact, as
the article from the Progressive showed, the effect of the bill would be to
transform both Africa and United States to be more to the liking
Biology sets limits (that can be modified by technology whereas Jim
technology is *not* neutral. it IS political. it is already part of the
definition of dominant cultural practices under capitalism just as science
is. the idealist discourse of biology versus culture or whether biology
sets
Jim Devine wrote:
One important part of this discussion is the distinction between
"gender" and "sex." The way I try to deal with these terms is to see
"sex" in biological terms
You're lucky I'll spare you a long quotation from Judith Butler on
how "sex" and the "biological" are themselves
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
Max previously quoted a labor publication which opposed giving China PNTR
based on a variety of arguments including that the country was communist,
that the government did not follow free market policies, that workers were
repressed, and that China's entrance into
The answer is that this fight should not be made our fight. The problem
is that many progressive groups are making this a top priority. We should
be putting our energy into and mobilizing people around other issues and
struggles.
Marty
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Doug Henwood wrote:
The
Thank you for sparing us. She is another of the idealist. "Language is
the only reality" school of metaphysical thinking. A firm believer of the
Humpty Dumpty theory of linguistics.
Rod
Doug Henwood wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
One important part of this discussion is the distinction between
The answer is that this fight should not be made our fight. The problem
is that many progressive groups are making this a top priority. We should
be putting our energy into and mobilizing people around other issues and
struggles.
Marty
You're right: trying to keep China poorer is not a
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
Max previously quoted a labor publication which opposed giving China PNTR
based on a variety of arguments including that the country was communist,
that the government did not follow free market policies, that workers were
repressed, and that China's entrance into
Very nice article, Max. Brad tended to write about the Africa bill as if it
were choice between helping Africa or helping the United States. In fact, as
the article from the Progressive showed, the effect of the bill would be to
transform both Africa and United States to be more to the liking
Martin Hart-Landsberg wrote:
The answer is that this fight should not be made our fight. The problem
is that many progressive groups are making this a top priority. We should
be putting our energy into and mobilizing people around other issues and
struggles.
I'm not sure you can do politics
Jim Devine wrote:
Sometimes, leftists lean toward the cultural determinist side, because
they hope that by changing society, it will get rid of the perceived
obnoxious aspects of masculinity and femininity. Of course, this isn't
the only road. For example, in her utopian novel, WOMAN ON THE EDGE
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 04:51PM
Jim Devine wrote:
One important part of this discussion is the distinction between
"gender" and "sex." The way I try to deal with these terms is to see
"sex" in biological terms
You're lucky I'll spare you a long quotation from Judith Butler
Brad, we're arguing at cross purposes. If the bill with were merely lower
tariffs, you would be correct. If the bill is going to be used to impose
neoliberal policies, then I would strenuously oppose it. I suspect you would
also. What was the problem with Jesse Jackson's bill?
Brad De Long
Brad De Long wrote:
No one seems to be arguing that PNTR will make China poor.
China's recorded some of the most spectacular growth rates in human
history without PNTR. Will PNTR accelerate them?
No one seems to be arguing the U.S.'s trade policy can be used as
significant leverage to
Jim, from what I see, Marge Piercy is not a Marxist feminist. Thus, it is
difficult for me to understand what her relevance to leftism is, because
she evidently suffers from biological essentialism. Feminists like Marge
Piercy belongs to what we know as radical feminist tradition. The big
problem
Jim Devine wrote:
Since causation goes both ways, both brands of determinism are wrong.
However, each has the potential to add some insights as long as we don't
try to be reductionist. BTW, Carol Tavris has a useful book on all of this,
_The Mismeasure of Woman_. She brings up a log of
Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 04:57PM
The anti-China campaign gives me a serious case of the creeps - it's
right out of the long tradition of Yellow Perilism, compounded with
old-fashioned anti-Communist Red Perilism. But today's Financial
Times reports that 9 out of 10 U.S.
At 02:03 PM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Very nice article, Max. Brad tended to write about the Africa bill as if it
were choice between helping Africa or helping the United States. In fact, as
the article from the Progressive showed, the effect of the bill would be to
transform both Africa and
Doug Henwood wrote:
So is the one true
"progressive" position on this to support PNTR/WTO entry, along with
the Fortune 500? Seems to me this is an extremely complicated issue,
much too complicated for a simple yes/no answer.
It isn't a complicated an issue because for "true
Brad De Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/16/00 05:10PM
No one seems to be arguing the U.S.'s trade policy can be used as
significant leverage to improve Chinese government treatment of its
own people.
__
CB: This would be like using the Mafia's trade policy to improve the conduct of
Brad, we're arguing at cross purposes. If the bill with were merely lower
tariffs, you would be correct. If the bill is going to be used to impose
neoliberal policies, then I would strenuously oppose it.
Shoddy argument.
As written, the bill offers countries a choice: do whatever is
required
What was the problem with Jesse Jackson's bill?
No problem with Jesse Jackson's bill--save that 218 representatives
wouldn't vote for it.
No one seems to be arguing the U.S.'s trade policy can be used as
significant leverage to improve Chinese government treatment of its
own people. The argument against PNTR seems to be that it is a move
in a symbolic card game, an implicit approval of China's anti-human
policies.
Actually
BUT Butler neglects the Marxist feminist critique of how capitalism
underlies the construction of sex and gender. Exploitation is not only
discursive, it is REAL as it is embedded in oppressive practices. Butler
apolitical critique of gender categories reminds me of the absurdity of
post-modern
I wrote: One important part of this discussion is the distinction between
"gender" and "sex." The way I try to deal with these terms is to see "sex"
in biological terms...
Doug writes: You're lucky I'll spare you a long quotation from Judith
Butler on how "sex" and the "biological" are
The answer is that this fight should not be made our fight. The problem
is that many progressive groups are making this a top priority. We should
be putting our energy into and mobilizing people around other issues and
struggles.
Marty
No. "This," meaning PNTR, is just a battle in an
The excellent one to start with is Marxist feminist Gayle Rubin's article
published in _Towards an Anthropology of Women_ "The Traffic in Women:
Political Economy of Sex". It offers a much better argument than the one
offered by Butler's metaphysical post-modernism..
Mine
The sex/gender
Brad De Long wrote:
Shoddy argument.
Now, you have convinced me.
As written, the bill offers countries a choice: do whatever is
required to get certified as a country moving toward a market economy
and get substantial market access; or don't get certified and don't
get any of the quota
At 05:14 PM 05/16/2000 -0400, you wrote:
Jim Devine wrote:
Sometimes, leftists lean toward the cultural determinist side, because
they hope that by changing society, it will get rid of the perceived
obnoxious aspects of masculinity and femininity. Of course, this isn't
the only road. For
Jim Devine wrote:
I don't know anything about Butler, so I can't comment on her views.
If she's indeed one of the "language is the only reality" types,
then forget her. Doug, aren't all of the statistics you wield so
well in LBO "discursively constructed"? Does that mean that they
should be
At 02:39 PM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
What was the problem with Jesse Jackson's bill?
No problem with Jesse Jackson's bill--save that 218 representatives
wouldn't vote for it.
so might makes right?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~JDevine
At 02:38 PM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Brad, we're arguing at cross purposes. If the bill with were merely lower
tariffs, you would be correct. If the bill is going to be used to impose
neoliberal policies, then I would strenuously oppose it.
Brad writes:
Shoddy argument.
As written, the
For example, in her utopian novel, WOMAN ON THE EDGE OF
TIME, Marge Piercy's utopians have been biologically altered to
encourage
equality and democracy: biological men breast-feed babies, babies are
produced by incubators, etc.
as it is "written" above, Marge Piercy is making an
Wow, I went from superficial, to head of a new world trade organization,
to wearing safety goggles. Or at least agitating for them. It is a bumpy
ride in the globalized world.
On Tue, 16 May 2000, Max Sawicky wrote:
No. "This," meaning PNTR, is just a battle in an extended war.
The
btw, the turkish translation of the novel is _Zamanin Kiyisindaki Kadin_
published by _Ayrinti_ publishers. I clearly remember it now.Marge Piercy
represents the radical feminist tradition, not Marxist..
Mine
I don't find name-calling of this sort to be useful. More useful would
be if you
The topic being discussed currently under the heading of
"genderization" has been debated (usually quite hotly)
over and over again on every maillist to which I am subscribed.
I thought some of the posts from an earlier LBO-TALK discussion
might be of interest.
Carrol
Original Message
This was one of the most illuminating of the contributions
to lbo on the questions of sex and gender, "social construction"
and biology.
Carrol
Original Message
Subject: RE: General status of gender relations vs. Quibbles
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:23:19 -0500 (EST)
From:
Original Message
Subject: Re: Only one sex?
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:21:35 -0500
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[bounced for an address oddity]
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:02:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Raphael C. Allen"
I wrote:
I don't know anything about Butler, so I can't comment on her views. If
she's indeed one of the "language is the only reality" types, then forget
her. Doug, aren't all of the statistics you wield so well in LBO
"discursively constructed"? Does that mean that they should be flushed
OUT NOW
Feminist Theory
An International Interdisciplinary Journal
Volume 01 Issue 01 - Publication Date: 1 April 2000
Editorial
Articles
Thinking feminism with and against Bourdieu
Terry Lovell University of Warwick, UK
http://www.sagepub.co.uk/journals/details/issue/abstract/ab012009.html
Maybe you better read some Marge Piercy and cure your ignorance of her work.
She is one of the premier literary figures on the left, tio whose novels and
poetry,a nd, yes, political writing, several generations of leftists owe a
lot. I also get tired of line-drawing ("She's not an Marxist
No idea is totally socially constructed (unless the thinker is
completely delusional). Every idea is formed through interactions in
society and in nature.
To argue the constructivist position consistently is to ignore the
second part of the epistomological dialect. To live in a world where
ideas
I agree that labels are the question. But the label "labels" is
not the question either. That is, labelling Piercy "non-marxist"
does not prove her wrong. Equally, labelling Mine a labeller
does not prove her wrong. For example, Mine writes, "The big
problem with her argument is that she assumes
Yes, African countries should be offered a better menu of choices
than the bill offers them. But whether the principal effect is to aid
or harm African development--and whether they ought to accept or
reject their package--ought to be *their* choice. You want to make
that choice for
At 02:39 PM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
What was the problem with Jesse Jackson's bill?
No problem with Jesse Jackson's bill--save that 218 representatives
wouldn't vote for it.
so might makes right?
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://liberalarts.lmu.edu/~JDevine
Say rather that
At 02:38 PM 05/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:
Brad, we're arguing at cross purposes. If the bill with were merely lower
tariffs, you would be correct. If the bill is going to be used to impose
neoliberal policies, then I would strenuously oppose it.
Brad writes:
Shoddy argument.
As written, the
from my reading of her, she was making a radical feminist case
(radical alteration of biological identity as to make men feed babies).she
might be a figure on the left, which i am not denying. in the begining of
the second wave feminist movement, socialist and radical feminists were in
the same
Carrol, I agree with your constructive criticism here
What I did was to present my own interpretation of Piercy and offer a
reasonable argument about why she seemed to me somewhat controversial (I
won't repeat the argument since it is in the archives of the list). If
Justin has something to
I plead guilty -- well sort of. I don't know any country that wants to make
progress toward a market economy. I know that some people may want that. Others
may be convinced that it is in their best interest.
I guess an outsider might say that the US wants to privatize social security, but
for
I hijacked this from Doug's posting on LBO to get Gene Coyle to comment
on this.
Wall Street Journal - May 11, 2000
Deregulation and Heavy Demand Leave
Electricity Providers Short for the Summer
By REBECCA SMITH
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Here's a sobering thought for the first
forwarded by Michael Hoover
Welcome to The Other Florida: The Florida of Economic Inequality and
Injustice; the Florida They Don't Want the Tourists to See
*
Hopefuls endure wait; Hialeah defends system
BY SANDRA MARQUEZ
From Michael Perelman's newly published "The Invention of Capitalism:
Classical Political Economy and the Secret of Primitive Accumulation" (Duke
University Press):
Although their standard of living may not have been particularly lavish,
the people of precapitalistic northern Europe, like most
John Travolta's Alien Notion
He Plays a Strange Creature In a New Sci-Fi Film, but That's Not the Only
Curious Thing About This Project
By Richard Leiby
Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, November 28, 1999; Page G01
MONTREAL-Something otherworldly is happening inside Hangar 12, something
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