Re: Re: Re: Re: 3 social labor and social production

2002-07-06 Thread miychi
Title: Re: [PEN-L:27590] Re: Re: Re: 3 social labor and social production On 7/5/02 03:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comrade Melvin Almost 3 In this time, let argue social labor and social production. * Marx said (Translation) Lets us discuss the question of social

ADB loan for Vietnam power project

2002-07-06 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Times of India SATURDAY, JULY 06, 2002 ADB approves $50 mn loan for Vietnam power project AFP MANILA: The Asian Development Bank (ADB) said Friday it has approved a 50 million-dollar loan and political risk guarantee worth 25 million dollars to a pioneering power project in Vietnam. The

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 4 social labor and social production

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
Allow me to directly to the two fold character of a commodity - my admitted weak side. You state: I can't understand your dialectic of abstract labor and why external expression of abstract labor is value form. Abstract labor is firstly mental abstraction of concrete labor and secondly social

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 5

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
The below is taken from "Economic Problems of Sociaism in the USSR" "Well, and what is to be done if the conditions for the conversion of commodity production into capitalist production do not exist, if the means of production are no longer private but socialist property, if the system of wage

Re: Re: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again,...

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 7/5/02 12:05:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 04/07/02 15:34 -0700, you wrote: Tom has been reading the Grundrisse again. Tom Walker wrote: As individual effort has come to play less and less of a role in social productivity, the methods of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help - Abstract labor

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
I am still grappling with abstract labor - not as a mental contstuct or "social construct." Social construct is put in quotes because may understanding is that concrete labor creates value and abstract labor reveals - not the word "revels" this value that has been created. I same aware of Marx

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help - Abstract labor

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
Why is not "occupied space" translatable into "mode of expression."? Products of private producers are converted into commodities as the result of the individual being a private creator and once he creates over and above that which is consumed directly, his product enters exchange and undergoes a

RE: Re: RE: inflation

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27656] Re: RE: inflation I wrote: at some point, economists decided on a conventional definition of inflation as referring only to increasing prices of newly-produced goods and services. Paul writes:I have always considered inflation to be a *general* rise in the price

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Imperialism in decline?

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27654] Re: Re: Re: Re: Imperialism in decline? Ulhas: And what is Imperialism in the first place? Imperialism, as Marxists use that term, refers to a social system of international domination, of most countries by others. (Unlike in other perspectives, it is not simply a

RE: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet)

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: Slaughter of dead labour (dead already but not again, yet) Tom Walker says:All I meant to refer to was the increasingly social character of production, certainly not its equalization or de-skilling... Then, I'd agree with you. I was confused about what you meant. (BTW, I like to

RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-06 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:27594] Re: Re: Inflation Eric wrote:The CPI likely has failed to take into account many declines in the quality of certain services and goods. While many economists have been interested in arguing (rightly in _some_ cases) that the CPI has sometimes failed to reflect quality

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help - Abstract labor

2002-07-06 Thread miychi
Title: Re: [PEN-L:27663] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help - Abstract labor On 7/7/02 00:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is not occupied space translatable into mode of expression.? Products of private producers are converted into commodities as the result of the individual

Re: dialectical approach

2002-07-06 Thread Waistline2
Taken from Karl Marx Afterword to Second German Edition of Capital 1873. After a quotation from the preface to my "Criticism of Political Economy," Berlin, 1859, pp. IV-VII, where I discuss the materialistic basis of my method, the writer goes on: "The one thing which is of moment to Marx, is

Re: Re: Compound interest

2002-07-06 Thread pms
Boy ya'll are confusing. But speaking of interest rates, as I've been watching the rise in the price of gold over the last 14 months or so I've been thinking about why gold might rise, The conventional wisdom always brings up inflation(which btw zoomed in June according to a coupla indicators

Re: the federal debt - query

2002-07-06 Thread Michael Pollak
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Doug Henwood wrote: This billboard is now posted on 14th Street, on the south side of Union Square Park. I don't know if it's still run by the same family. But the weirdest thing about it is that it kept going up even during the period under Clinton when the debt was

Iraq ready to pay off its $8-b debt

2002-07-06 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
The Economic Times Friday, July 05, 2002 Iraq ready to pay off its $8-b debt AP MOSCOW: The new Iraqi ambassador to Russia has said his country is ready to pay off its $8-billion debt to Russia, a long-standing sticking point that has prevented the two countries from improving economic ties.

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Imperialism in decline?

2002-07-06 Thread Ulhas Joglekar
Devine, James: Ulhas:And what is Imperialism in the first place? Imperialism, as Marxists use that term, refers to a social system of international domination, of most countries by others. (Unlike in other perspectives, it is not simply a policy, a decision by government officials.) Originally

Re: RE: Re: Re: Inflation

2002-07-06 Thread enilsson
Jim wrote, I don't remember, what's the difference between tastes and preferences? Same thing except that preferences likely became common language after the presentation of the notion of revealed preferences in modern welfare economics. Tastes is just older language for the same thing.