Re: Re: Re: Re: Capital is wrong

2000-03-10 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: 2) is labor power produced? that's a tougher one. it is reproduced for sure. but maybe even produced. it's produced (via sex, family nurturance, etc.), but the question is whether it's produced as a commodity. I think it's a bit more complicated. Sex at most

Re: What IS wealth?

2000-03-11 Thread Carrol Cox
Timework Web wrote: However, labour-power can also be immediately consumed as disposable time -- an end in itself -- independently of any process of production. Any comments? Questions? Criticisms? Develop. It doesn't sound right at all to me, but anything I come up with myself sounds

Thought and Language. was Re: Capital is wrong

2000-03-12 Thread Carrol Cox
George's problem illustrates an argument I made on lbo a few months ago denying discourse theory (i.e., denying the assumption that all thought is language bound). I gave as an example then the schoolroom syllogism All men are mortal Socrates is a man Therefore Socrates is mortal Suppose

Mixing memory and desire -- Microsoft Commercial

2000-03-16 Thread Carrol Cox
Picked up from a campus maillist: ***The classically minded among us may have noted a new TV ad for Microsoft's Internet Explorer e-mail program which uses the musical theme of the "Confutatis Maledictis" from Mozart's Requiem." Where do you want to go today?" is the cheery line on the screen.

Re: LM, Louis, and Free Speech

2000-03-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: I might repeat again that I do not regard pen-l as a publication bound by the principles of free speech, but rather as a space in which a certain type -- or will not go into the specifics here -- the exchange can take place. One of the difficulties with free speech

Re: Kosova/o

2000-03-16 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: Here's an interesting opinion from the March 5 LA TIMES: U.S. Must Stop Being a KLA Pawn Kosovo: An ongoing guerrilla campaign to provoke Serbian retaliation is intended to draw NATO into renewed fighting. By CHRISTOPHER LAYNE [SNIP] the current crisis illustrates:

Re: Re: Re: Kosova/o

2000-03-16 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Uh, Carrol, you can say that and no one will arrest you. Of course no one will listen to you either, but still, doesn't non-arrest count for something? It means *two* things: 1. Non-arrest means a hell of a lot and we should fight for keeping it and expanding it. 2. It

Re: Re: Re: Free Speech Democratic Anti-RacistDiscipline (was Re: ...

2000-03-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: At 09:58 AM 03/19/2000 -0500, you wrote: "Free thinking" is the last way I'd describe Antioch students as a group. My experience of them is that of a fairly uniform PC party line. Frankly I thought that my students at OSU were more open minded. --jks And Mr

Women and Lists Re: Solidarity Humanitarian Imperialism (was Re: Yoshie's dearthoffemale contributors)

2000-03-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Please read the entire subject line. It tells a tale. We (marxism, lbo, pen-l, and L-I) simply cannot keep a thread on women going. Humanitarian Imperialism is a vital subject, and I've had much to say about it in the past and will in the future. But I think the quick mutarion into something else

[Fwd: Open content encyclopedia calls for submissions about history (fwd)]

2000-03-17 Thread Carrol Cox
This might be of interest to leftists of various stripes. Carrol -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:34:35 -0800 From: Larry Sanger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Open content encyclopedia calls for submissions about history A major new

Re: Re: Free Speech Democratic Anti-Racist Discipline...

2000-03-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: [snip] Yoshie responds: Practice precedes thought. And thought precedes practice, as part of a dialectical process. [Aside: This exchange between you and Yoshie seems to be making progress, but I want to focus just on this exchange in isolation.] Yes and no. I like

Re: Middle class fragility

2000-03-20 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In response to Michael's plea for more economics ... There was an article in Todays Winnipeg Free Press by John Cunniff attributed to Associated Press entitled "U.S. middle class fragile." He starts of by noting the popular assumption that America's middle class

kBureaucracy, et centera, was Re: CP's Anti-Racist Discipline

2000-03-21 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: Now, "bureaucracy." What is "bureaucracy"? Any organization with more than a handful of members needs a structure of delegation representation -- hence bureaucracy. How do you run modern industries distribution systems without bureaucracy of any kind? The question

[Fwd: EMPERORS CLOTHES? NEVER HEARD OF 'EM!]

2000-03-26 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: EMPERORS CLOTHES? NEVER HEARD OF 'EM! Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 05:45:19 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a an article on the CNN connection with the U.S. Army's psychological Operations division,

[Fwd: [BRC-MUMIA] Book program for Mumia's new book]

2000-03-27 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: [BRC-MUMIA] Book program for Mumia's new book Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:51:44 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: Art McGee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:58:53 -0500 From: "C. Clark Kissinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Left Approach to China Trade: A Critical View

2000-03-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: But Henry is correct. There is an enormous propaganda offensive that is attempting to demonize the Chinese government. Damn it. All sorts of leftists are attacking the Anti-China crusade. Being against the AFL-CIO on this is no more praiseworthy than being against child

Re: Re: NYU Conference Schedule (April 7-8) (fwd)

2000-03-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: labor-religion coalition? interfaith commitee? people of faith net work? what are these to be exact? what have they got to with labor rights, sweatshops and social justice issues? I'm no fan of religion, and I'm guessing you're not either,

Re: religion

2000-03-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug, I would agree with you -- except neither of us is inside the tent -- and I think probably a majority of those inside the tent would say the Good is Good because God says it is. Maritain bluntly states that trying to show that God is Good leads to atheism. And in *The Class Struggle in the

Re: RE: Further excuses of religion: RE: NYU ConferenceSchedule(April 7-8) (fwd)

2000-03-30 Thread Carrol Cox
"Max B. Sawicky" wrote: I do know that criticism of religion per se as a political practice is an exercise in self-sabotage for progressives in the U.S. I'm not clear on what you mean by "per se" here, or how narrowing your "as a political practice" is. As I've already posted, I regard

[Fwd: Re: Keeping Tabb]

2000-03-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Doyle Saylor wrote: MBS More schizophrenia here, I think. Doyle The phrase is anti-disabled. Yes. I believe some other poster tried to confuse issues by claiming that when originally coined the word was intended to mean "split mind," but the claim is pointless. There is no significant

[Fwd: [BRC-ANN] The Right to Freedom of Assembly Under Attack]

2000-03-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: [BRC-ANN] The Right to Freedom of Assembly Under Attack Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:39:00 -0500 From: Lorenzo Ervin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY UNDER ATTACK: The Chilling Use of disruption laws to stifle

Re: Re: Re: [Fwd: Re: Keeping Tabb]

2000-03-31 Thread Carrol Cox
Brad De Long wrote: [SNIP] Schizophrenic people would generally like not to be schizophrenic (you ask The phrase "schizophrenic people" is itself objectionable. Just as tubercular people or influenza people would be silly and/or (under some cultural contexts) offensive. And since a number

Re: [Fwd: CDINFO: hidden costs of animal factories]

2000-04-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Ken Hanly wrote: This is a serious problem and nothing much is being done to solve it. This is a much greater risk, in my view, than GM foods but it does not seem to be in the press very much. From glancing at the post I'm prepared to agree with Ken that the problem is serious -- but I'm

Re: Marx's materialism

2000-04-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Ted Winslow wrote: To begin with, the idea that ideas can be fully "reduced" in this way is mistaken. It is, for instance, I agree that Ted has chosen extremely important passages from Marx, but I don't have the slightest ideas what this post is about because (a) I don't know who said

Re: Re: The new economy

2000-04-04 Thread Carrol Cox
Timework Web wrote: We are in for interesting times. I believe there's an old proverb that goes something like, "Woe to those who live in interesting times." Carrol

Turkish Movies, Query.

2000-04-04 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yilmaz Guney movies Are these movies available on video with english sub-titles? Probably too much to hope. Carrol

Re: the expression political economy

2000-04-08 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always liked Branko Horvats definition of political economy as "a fusion of economic and political theory into one single social theory." This implies that they were ever separate. The allocation of resources is obviously the most political of acts, and the

Re: Re: Good review of guns, germs, steel

2000-04-11 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote: Who is You? Carrol

Anti-Eurocentrism: Idealist Diversion from Anti-racism/anti-imperialism

2000-04-12 Thread Carrol Cox
The ongoing critique in scholastic circles of "euro-centrism" more and more appears as a member of that large family of ideological persuasions generally called "post-modernism," defined here as a purely academic compensation for the material defeats the movements of the '60s Karl and

Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism

2000-04-12 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Rod Hay wrote: Mat. How do you identify eurocentrism? In my experience, in most cases, all it indicates is that the person throwing the epithet, doesn't like what is being said but can't articulate a rational argument against it. Could you give a more specific

Re: RE: More on A16 fire hazard

2000-04-15 Thread Carrol Cox
"Max B. Sawicky" wrote: . . . Protesters' Headquarters Raided, Shut Down Incredible. What's incredible about it? It seems quite ordinary to me -- but I suppose it depends on one's assumptions about capitalist democracy. Carrol

Re: Re: Re: racism, eurocentrism (fwd)

2000-04-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Rod Hay wrote: True, Charles, but surely the important thing for a Marxist is a revolution that leads to socialism. NO! This is to pretend that we access to a crystal ball. The important thing for a Marxist is revolution aimed at socialism. Whether it succeeds in maintaing itself to fit

[Fwd: RE: [CrashList] Dollarization: The Greenback Goes Global]

2000-04-20 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: RE: [CrashList] Dollarization: The Greenback Goes Global Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:16:21 -0300 From: Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] En relaciĆ³n a RE:

Re: youth crime enforcement bias (fwd)

2000-04-26 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: the author, Scott Shuger, was simply asking questions about these issues. I was hoping for answers to these questions rather than name-calling based on a partial reading. The Slate report must have been based on the following article, which Doug fwd to lbo. New

Re: Re: on the anti-globalization movement (fwd)

2000-04-27 Thread Carrol Cox
Dennis R Redmond wrote: [Nothing Intelligible] Dennis, for someone who wants us to believe that you have successfully construed Adorno, you certainly have your troubles with a fairly simple and straightforward post. I haven't decided yet my own response to Platkin O'Connell but your

[Fwd: Fw: Vieques------ Urgente]

2000-04-28 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: Fw: Vieques-- Urgente Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:09:07 -0400 From: Jay Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Undisclosed-Recipient:@ns.hcr.net; - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL

Re: Fwd: letter

2000-04-30 Thread Carrol Cox
The letter certainly is of great interest, but I want to focus on just one sentence in it. Jim Devine wrote: from a letter to a relative, which might interest pen-l: I agree[snip] The campaign by business and government to restore profitability both overall and for individual companies

[Fwd: Re: 25 years ago]

2000-04-30 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: Re: 25 years ago Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:27:05 -0400 From: Julio Pino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good Morning Viet Nam! Giaia Phong! Viva la Republica Socialista! Viva Tio Ho! I'd like to respond to

[Fwd: [BRC-ANN] The Whistleblower Was Right]

2000-05-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Another manifestation of the material rather than ideological content of "zero tolerance." It means mostly the systematic indoctrination, through police action, of the perception that blacks are "different" and inferior. It terrorizes blacks and makes whites feel justified in their racism. Zero

Re: Re: Re: Re: Capital dreams

2000-05-05 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael, I'd be interested in your experiences with voice recognition software. How well it works might eventually make a big change in education by breaking the illusion that "skill in writing" equals "general intelligence." I'm really confident that a huge amount of what intellectuals regard as

Query

2000-05-05 Thread Carrol Cox
Re balance of payments etc. In the '60s and '70s, there would always be a distinction made between balance of trade (which was positive for U.S.) and balance of payments (which was negative). Is that distinction no longer of any importance? And was it ever? Carrol

Re: Re: Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Carrol Cox
Ricardo Duchesne wrote: As one of the most boring books ever written, one which 99% of Marxist do not have the patience or even temper to read, should we not but sympathize with poor Darwin's rejection of this offer? I read *Capital* (Vol.I) several years before I became involved in

Re: Darwin's dilemma (fwd)

2000-05-08 Thread Carrol Cox
Ricardo Duchesne wrote: It was just Vol. II which he offered to Darwin. Which other book would you say is a literary masterpiece? Here we are talking about a book which was never written (Vol. II). Had it gotten to the point where the dedication had been relevant, it would presumably have

Re: contradictions of capitalism

2000-05-09 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: Students are organizing against sweatshop conditions. If Marxists think that they are some kind of evolutionary step upward from 'rural idiocy' and patriarchy, then we will be ignored by these students. Take another look. THat's what I said. That is, from the

Re: Re: Dubya Speeks

2000-05-10 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: President Eisenhower, it is said, pretended to be inarticulate in order to have the "common touch" so necessary to success in US politics. He was, the same stories say, a closet intellectual. I remember one anecdote. They were planning to issue a press release on some

Re: Re: Re: RE: American looneyism EVERYWHERE

2000-05-12 Thread Carrol Cox
The causes of the Slave Drivers' Rebellion are complicated, *but* it is doubtful that all the other reasons would have led to actual war were it not for the belief of the Southern Slaveocrats that slavery was in danger. The Articles of Confederation have several clauses aimed at guaranteeing the

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons

2000-05-12 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Would Cuba have survived until 1989 without Soviet subsidies? Who knows? This is one of those questions which, Jim Devine has just pointed out on another thread, belongs to the genre of science fiction. One can spin such questions out to infinity. Would Cuba have grown

Re: Re: Publication year?

2000-05-12 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Hoover wrote: What was the exact publication year of Lenin's Imperialism? Mine Doyran 1916 Michael Hoover That's what I thought, but the copy of Vol. 22 before me here says *written* 1916, published as pamphlet mid-1917. And so says the reproduced title page. Carrol

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other people are/were happier in Situation A rather than Situation B. Carrol You don't seem to get it. This is not about a "Golden

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here. Carrol Cox wrote: Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I have been fighting against over on lbo. Lou and I always forgive each other. Carrol

Re: China

2000-05-16 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: So is the one true "progressive" position on this to support PNTR/WTO entry, along with the Fortune 500? Seems to me this is an extremely complicated issue, much too complicated for a simple yes/no answer. It isn't a complicated an issue because for "true

[Fwd: Re: Only one sex?]

2000-05-16 Thread Carrol Cox
al Message Subject: Re: Only one sex? Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 16:30:31 -0600 From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: v03130300b461e73b35d0@[140.254.112.191]002b01bf4e8f$826f8620$[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ke

[Fwd: RE: General status of gender relations vs. Quibbles]

2000-05-16 Thread Carrol Cox
This was one of the most illuminating of the contributions to lbo on the questions of sex and gender, "social construction" and biology. Carrol Original Message Subject: RE: General status of gender relations vs. Quibbles Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:23:19 -0500 (EST) From:

[Fwd: Re: Only one sex?]

2000-05-16 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: Re: Only one sex? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:21:35 -0500 From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [bounced for an address oddity] Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 04:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Raphael C. Allen"

Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Genderization (fwd)

2000-05-16 Thread Carrol Cox
I agree that labels are the question. But the label "labels" is not the question either. That is, labelling Piercy "non-marxist" does not prove her wrong. Equally, labelling Mine a labeller does not prove her wrong. For example, Mine writes, "The big problem with her argument is that she assumes

Re: Genderization, [Fwd: Political Classification of Biological Fact]

2000-05-17 Thread Carrol Cox
of Biological Fact Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 00:32:24 -0600 From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] l0313030ab463a77a4c91@[137.92.41.119] v04220816b463b346a2df@[166.84.250.86] Doug Henwood wrote: Biology

[Fwd: On Common Sense, was Re: Only one sex?]

2000-05-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Original Message Subject: On Common Sense, was Re: Only one sex? Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 18:43:47 -0600 From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: v04220802b4671a5ee03f@[166.84.250.86] "Only sound common sense, respec

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Genderization (fwd)

2000-05-17 Thread Carrol Cox
:-) Can't reds have fun? Carrol Doug Henwood wrote: Carrol Cox wrote: So far the score is Justin -1 + 0. Mine's score is -1 + 1. She wins, zero to minus 1. Wow. That's just so clarifying. I've learned so much on PEN-L the last few days. Doug

Re: Re: Re: Re: essentialism

2000-05-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Brad De Long wrote: It would be "essentialist" to reduce men to that characteristic... It is also "essentialist" to speak of "men" as a category that a single thought can "reduce"... It is also "essentialist" to speak of "essentialism" as a single intellectual move that

Marx's Daughter Son-In-Law was, Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-17 Thread Carrol Cox
"J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." wrote: I think that it is worth keeping in mind that his own daughter and son-in- law were gunned down at le mur des Communards in the Pere Lachaise cemetary at the end of that sad episode, As I recall, they had a hairy time of it, but they lived to commit

Re: Marx's Daughter Son-In-Law was,Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: Tussy committed suicide. The daughter in Paris, Laura, died early of natural causes, I believe. Eleanor (Tussy) committed suicide in London in 1898. Laura married Paul Lafargue. She and her husband both committed suicide sometime after 1910. I have (long ago) read a

Re: Re: Genderization

2000-05-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Sam Pawlett wrote: Well, it is necessary that the male penetrate the female or the species will fail to reproduce itself. ...except for the occasional turkey-baster. Why not say "it is necessary for the female to engulf the male sperm . . ."? How do you determine

Marx Engels, was Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: Draper follows a somewhat controversial position, since he treats Marx and Engels totally as a team, with no significant disagreements. For him, "Marx" is sometimes used as short-hand for Marx-and-Engels, though in citations he is always clear about which said what.

[Fwd: The new U.S. movement--and China] Part 1

2000-05-18 Thread Carrol Cox
I've only browsed through this and have no strong opinion on some of its included arguments. But it seems worth considering. Carrol Original Message Subject: The new U.S. movement--and China Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:44:27 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL

[Fwd: The new U.S. movement--and China] Part 2

2000-05-18 Thread Carrol Cox
It is against this complex backdrop of a country struggling for development under a political system, which, while not democratic along Western lines, is nevertheless legitimate, and which realizes that its continuing legitimacy depends on its ability to deliver economic growth that one

Re: : withering away of the state

2000-05-18 Thread Carrol Cox
Rod Hay wrote: Perhaps Marx was utopian. But we will have to wait until we have a socialists society, in order to find out. The Soviet Union called itself socialist but it wasn't. This I think is utopian. Socialism is a movement, not a platonic form against which you can measure any state

Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-19 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you have against cars with big fins? --jks Aside from the fact that they were rather ugly, they were also rather mean if one backed into you. If I remeber correctly, there was a handful of news items on the grisly effects of that. Secondary effect: they

Re: Re: : withering away of the state

2000-05-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Wait a minute. A model that failed and which is now held in almost universally low regard I've never praised or dispraised any position on the grounds that it was or was not "marxist." I'll break that habit now. The use of the concept of "model" in reference to social

Consumer Society, was Re: Re: Marx and Malleability

2000-05-19 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: [snip] Ernest Mandel criticized in this passage from Late Capitalism: [snip] (the actual extension of cultural needs, to the extent to which they are not trivialized or deprived of their human content by capitalist commercialization). This whole passage from Mandel

Sam, you fucked up! Admit it, and let's get on with it, was Re: Genderization (fwd)

2000-05-20 Thread Carrol Cox
Sam Pawlett wrote: I think I would say this thread is dead here, but I have to reply to false accusations. Mention the word "penetrate" and you get labelled an August Strindberg! Sam, look it. You fucked up, and you fucked up royally. Admit it, and go on from there. The question you must

Re: Re:Work on the land will have to become more . . . important

2000-05-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: The question should not be, would you rather be a poor peasant or a well-to-do urban inhabitant. It would be just a silly to ask whether he would rather be a wealthy aristocrat in the countryside or homeless person in the big city. I try to play with the idea of

Re: genderization

2000-05-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Rod Hay wrote: Saturday May 13 1:02 AM ET Study Questions 'Sex Reassignment' By SETH HETTENA, Associated Press Writer BALTIMORE (AP) - The practice of surgically ``reassigning'' boys born without penises is being called into question by a new study that suggests gender identity

Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Carrol Cox

Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Carrol Cox
[Sorry -- I clicked the send instead of the quote button on the preceding empty post.] Louis Proyect wrote: Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out... Brad DeLong I don't think the discussion is about dental hygeine. It is about the right of a Vietnamese in the

[PEN-L:4080] Re: Re: Re: secret societies36DC3009.ADF558FD@uniserve.com3.0.3.32.19990302105020.006d978c@lmumail.lmu.edu36DC46BB.B44BF658@mindspring.com 4.1.19990303075336.00939660@lmumail.lmu.edu

1999-03-03 Thread Carrol Cox
There is a huge jumble of sense and nonsense in this thread on the masons. One of the jumbles is between the actual history of the masons, which has little or nothing to do with mysticism, ancient egypt, alexander the great and a great deal to do with guild economics in a very vulgar sense in

[PEN-L:4130] Re: Illuminaughtiness

1999-03-04 Thread Carrol Cox
Tom Walker wrote: Any one remember ex-FBI agent Dan Smoot and his John Birch Society rantings about the "Invisible Government" run by the Council on Foreign Relations? How does one totally dismiss such a "right-wing conspiracy theorist" and then seriously entertain, say, Noam Chomsky,

[PEN-L:4136] Re: Re: Re: Re: Illuminaughtiness

1999-03-04 Thread Carrol Cox
Sam Pawlett wrote: An interesting example is Monika Stevenson's book _Kiss The Boys Goodbye_. She says there were MIA/POW's in Vietnam but the CIA left them there This is an interesting case to illustrate how destructive concpiracy theories are of intelligent left analysis. I suggest you

[PEN-L:4285] Re: Re: civil societyv04011702b30efd164e72@[128.146.160.118] 3.0.3.32.19990312142016.006963a4@lmumail.lmu.edu

1999-03-12 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: I think it's okay to use the phrase "civil society." Marx used it (it's a translation of "burgerlicte gesellschaft" of course he spelled it correctly). After all, and he was right once and awhile. But it's important to be extremely clear to be clear what we mean by it.

[PEN-L:4304] Irony I. Was (1) Marx Justice (2)lefter-than-thou-ness

1999-03-14 Thread Carrol Cox
digloria[kelley]@mindspring.com wrote: yeah but catherine y'all get the kewler status of having dossiers kept on you about your activities trying to smuggle irony across the borders when you visit the states. I must confess that despite many years study of Irony I have never quite been able

[PEN-L:4320] Re: Irony I. Footnote on Plato

1999-03-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Footnote on Plato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: carrol in response to chuckster: Not a bad characterization. I'm woozy from the flu right now, but I intend to stumble some more. I want to complicate irony enough so that it can't be used as a slogan. Leaving aside dramatic irony, which does

[PEN-L:4377] Re: Irony, again

1999-03-17 Thread Carrol Cox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "You know what? As soon as David Letterman hit the airwaves, it was all over for irony." Two questions: What in the world does this Mean, and can it be said without use of the word irony? If the word irony is necessary, what in the world is irony? Carrol I

[PEN-L:4836] Re: Spreading the word

1999-04-05 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: Once imperialism is determined to secure a victory against its enemy of the month, there is nothing that can stop it except the will of the "enemy" to fight back and our own will to stop the aggression. These events are the most significant of a generation. As I said

[PEN-L:4860] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Jingoism

1999-04-06 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: Of course not. The problem is that the U.S. policy is purely opportunistic. Why do we embargo Cuba and appeal to constructive engagement in racist South Africa? Why the assumption that U.S. crimes come from opportunism or bad strategy or stupidity? I know you don't

[PEN-L:4924] Re: news from SLATE

1999-04-07 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: The WSJ's new poll shows that now 64 percent of Americans approve of the air campaign, with 27 percent opposed. In terms of the potential effectiveness of popular resistance this is a figure to make one optimistic. It would cause pessimism only in a mind inextricably sunk in

[PEN-L:5220] Re: [Fwd: The Socialist, the Communist, the Nihilist]

1999-04-13 Thread Carrol Cox
. Carrol Cox == I have been subscribing to the *Multinational Monitor* for many years, and when a year ago I tried to cut down drastically on files of old magazines, found myself wanting to keep *all* the *Monitors*, and there were so few worthless pages in each that it was not worth while

[PEN-L:5447] Re: More placebo

1999-04-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Tom Walker wrote: "More telling, translating the mean placebo response effect size of 1.16 in a similar way reveals that 88% of patients who received only placebos experienced improvement (12% stayed the same or got worse). This is a remarkably high percentage and is the basis for Kirsch

[PEN-L:5336] Re: send this column to Bill Gates

1999-04-15 Thread Carrol Cox
It's funny how debates over whether money buys happiness always focus on whether *more money* will "buy happiness" for those already possessed of more than sufficient money. Does anyone ever ask will money buy happiness for the mother whose child will die from its own poison unless provided with

[PEN-L:5443] Re: Re: More Dark Musings

1999-04-17 Thread Carrol Cox
Tom Walker wrote: The 'beneficial' effects of Prozac have been shown in controlled trials to be no better than those of a placebo with side effects. Several points: 1) The research on clinical depression and manic depression is and always has been in a state of confusion. Postive

[PEN-L:5181] Re: An ominous turn

1999-04-12 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: Unless a mighty protest is launched against this savage attack on innocent people, there is little doubt that the Nato forces will apply a scorched earth policy in Yugoslavia like Franco did in Spain or Nixon in Indochina. Such a development has been implicit in the

[PEN-L:4535] God was Re: crisis

1999-03-25 Thread Carrol Cox
The trouble with all proofs of the existence of god is that they do not begin from the necessary premise of all human thought, the non-existence of god. This is perhaps easier to grasp for anyone for whom atheism is a birthright rather than an achievement, since it is always a temptation to see

[PEN-L:4116] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: secret societies and the originsofcapitalist private property

1999-03-03 Thread Carrol Cox
Sam Pawlett wrote: Doesn't the word "covert" imply that these actions are or are supposed to be secret? Why not call them overt operations? Sam, are you serious in this question or are you just wisecracking? If you are serious, then you need to study politics more thoroughly. I'll give

[PEN-L:4111] [Fwd: [BRC-ALL] Kemba Smith?!]boundary=------------AC582CB78F382F667CE5ED7C

1999-03-03 Thread Carrol Cox
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --AC582CB78F382F667CE5ED7C --AC582CB78F382F667CE5ED7C Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:44:03 -0800 (PST) Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:43:11 -0800 (PST) Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:37:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:37:36

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Harry Magdoff on market socialism

2000-07-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Why is it that left discourse requires so many rehearsals of the obvious? That's what I've found exasperating about so many of the recent "learning experiences" I've had on PEN-L. I haven't quoted Michael Kinsley's remark about how rightists are always looking for

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Harry Magdoff on market socialism

2000-07-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Carrol Cox wrote: I think you should seriously consider that there may in fact be good reasons for leftists to be a bit more concerned about "heretics" than are rightists (if that is indeed the case). I'm not talking about the need to ferret out spies

[Fwd: Re: [sixties-l] Re: Horowitz corporations]

2000-07-15 Thread Carrol Cox
A thread currently running on the sixties-l list produced a post that offers an interesting perspective on this list's debate on efficiency, etc. Carrol Original Message Subject: Re: [sixties-l] Re: Horowitz corporations Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:27:20 -0700 From: Jeffrey

[PEN-L:6170] Re: Re: A note of thanks to all

1999-04-29 Thread Carrol Cox
S Pawlett wrote: All arguments are subject to counter-arguments. One person's modus tollens is another persons modus podens. One person's transcendental argument is another's petitio principii. As a mere empirical observation that in every situation there is bound to be one asshole, this

[PEN-L:7439] Re: Footnote on LBO

1999-05-29 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: Carrol Cox took exception to my "compliment" Doug Henwood: "I appreciate his excellent efforts through LBO at pressuring the US government and business interests into fair play." Carrol, I was being patronizing and dismissive. Don't you think I kn

[PEN-L:7421] Footnote to J. Donald Hughes on Mayan collapse

1999-05-28 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: "I appreciate his excellent efforts through LBO at pressuring the US government and business interests into fair play." It will be several days or more before I can quite wrap my mind around this whole new spat between Doug and Lou and post on the crucial issues it opens --

[PEN-L:6911] Re: petty/petit bourgeois

1999-05-17 Thread Carrol Cox
If one wants to get at class the proper term in English would be "petty producer." ("Petty" means "small" in English too, with the context differentiating its meand as small from its meaning as "small-minded.") The advantage of "petty producer" is that it puts the burden of proof on those who

[PEN-L:7187] Re: jim o'connor on harvey review

1999-05-24 Thread Carrol Cox
Lou, I'm just recovering from a migraine and can't read this too carefully, but it seems to me that you are suggesting that the readers of a book review should already have read the book. This seems bizarre. You also seem to think that only books the editor of a journal has read should be

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