Adolph Reed wrote:
He [Paul Z] was at the Cleveland convention, was an active and
vocal participant -- even to the point of attempting to form a dissident
caucus in the back of the convention center immediately upon our final
adjournment.
This sounds like the *real* reason.
Jerry
The current (8/27) edition of the _Village Voice_ has an article by
Richard Gehh called "The Flaming Path" which PEN-Lers may want to check
out. The article, subtitled "What happens when rhetoric becomes
evidence?", concerns a flame war on the marxism1 list that may have led to
the arrest of Juan
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
Yeah, well that's barely the half of it.
Barkley: does that mean that you *stayed* [!] on that ...[undead] list? Do
you also enjoy sleeping on a bed of nails and walking barefoot on hot coals?
Did A.O. also make death threats in your direction?
Jerry
Hans Ehrbar wrote:
The fact that the list turned out to be an instrument of murder
certainly has been a matter of great concern to the spoon collective.
Yes, I can imagine that the list becoming an "instrument of murder" might
now be of some concern to the Spoon Administration.
However, to
I want to reply again to Hans Ehrbar since, although peripheral to PEN-L,
the issues (in particular the 2nd issue below) have some importance.
(1) the death threats on M1 before the split of the lists. They
mainly emanated from Adolfo Oleachea. Oleachea was underlining his
arguments with a
Did Jesse Jackson speak at the convention? If not, why not? and if yes, how
was he treated and how did he do? Cheers, ajit sinha
He spoke, but he wasn't a primetime speaker (in the sense that his
primetime speech, like Mario Cuomo's) wasn't broadcast live by any of the
three major networks.
Michael Perelman wrote:
Several people have recently approached us for information to help them
in their political activities. Do you think that we could/should
advertise pen-l as a place to draw upon our collective expertise.
On the basis of the above, I am unclear what sort of information
Steven Zahniser
P.S. This summer I successfully defended my dissertation, turned it in,
and received my Ph.D. in economics. I am now beginning a one-year
postdoctoral fellowship funded by the Social Science Research Council, in
which I will look at various issues regarding Mexico-U.S.
47: According to the University of Miami's vice president for research,
"As money becomes less and less available. more people are going to be
compromising their principles, compromising their time We can get
to the point at some stage in this process where we're not research
Jerry is wrong. The university heads are not hired prize fighters. Prize
fighters can be entertaining. The university boys are ghoulish types that
prefer to work in the shadows.
Michael Perelman
As it relates to Marx, I think that he used the expression "prizefighter"
to mean the same as
From the _Science Society_ editorial sent to us by David Laibman:
First, the elevated "cost" of higher education must be examined
with care. While tuition _charges_ per student have indeed been
rising, actual _costs_ per student, credit or degree are falling
significantly, owing to
John Ernst wrote:
Are the following "facts" true?
1. Faculty salaries are not keeping up with inflation.
(1) Over what time period?
(2) In the US alone? This is important since inflation rates vary
significantly internationally as do -- I suspect -- changes in faculty
salaries.
(3)
Paul Zarembka wrote:
If they are true, where is the money going?
As the UAW said in the early post WW2 period: Open the Books!
Opened books at public universities would show, in many cases, decreased
state support to pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and adminstrative bloat.
Yes, but closely
Its argument
was that the folk audience was actually quite elite (I think the word
Harvard even came up), and folkies were scandalized when the *real* popular
music, rock roll, got started.
Doug
This attitude, in part, strikes me as generational since rockers were also
in general
bill mitchell wrote:
well i think this depends on what cultural-economic enviroment you have
grown up in. classical music in the capitalist western world (say,
australia) tends very firmly to be what i would term "ruling class"
entertainment. there is no popular classical culture in OZ. the
Paul: I am appalled by the treatment you and the Buffalo Chapter received
from the Labor Party national leadership. To put it mildly, such
undemocratic and bureaucratic fiats do not help the LP realize the
potential that it has to challenge the bourgeois political parties. I am
also dismayed that
rakesh bhandari wrote:
Does anyone recall the original (or any) use of the term
"superexploitation" in Marxist literature?
Walter Daum
Well, Walter, as I understand superexploitation, it obtains when the wage
falls below the value of labor power.
That's not an answer to the question that
Walter Daum wrote:
In Capital I and III, where Marx suggests that S/V is
higher in "Europe" than "Asia," he appears to refer to labor productivity
and intensity together.
There are three separate questions here:
(1) What did Marx say?
I believe Walter is correct in interpreting Marx as
I'll have to wait a while before I can comment on the following news
concerning the death of Lisa Rogers, a graduate anthropology student, a
sharp, critical Marxist, and a friend. -- Jerry
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Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:53:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: malgosia askanas
Lisa was also a former school teacher.
She was a political activist. In particular, she was involved in
supporting gay and lesbian high school students in Salt Lake City.
She was a committed feminist and I believe one of her last projects was to
establish a Marxism-Feminism list.
She was very
Robert R Naiman wrote:
the question i would ask of the leadership is: was such a harsh
punishment really necessary? was it wise? what would have been lost
with a lesser punishment? what would have been gained?
Those are all legitimate questions, but they are *secondary* ones. More
important
Did anyone yet mention the degree of concentration in markets where firms
typically pay workers the minimum wage? As has been remarked previously,
most minimum wage workers are in their service sector but many of these
markets are highly concentrated and dominated by oligopolies. Consider the
Doug Henwood wrote:
After reading this paragraph, I sat down for a late-night reading of the
Wall Street Journal. snip
Now I suspect Jerry will greet this as rank empiricism, when so much
theorizing about Okishio remains to be done. But Jerry's quoted posting is
pretty standard left-wing
From: andrew kliman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've been asked to forward the following letter from the president of the
Zimbabwe Labour Party. Others interested in helping call attention to the
issues and promote the tour are asked to post it on additional lists and
boards.
Andrew Kliman
Susan Fleck wrote:
On a lighter note, in response to Doug Henwood's comment on McDonalds...
They are suffering sales because they microwave their burgers these days!
blech!
(I won't tell you how I know.)
On a more serious note, let me answer Doug's recent comments. *Why* are
sales
Peter: Thanks for forwarding this stuff to PEN-L. The following are my
favorite parts./Jerry
Andrew Steer, director of the World Bank's environment department, told
ENI:
"Quite frankly, I think most of the religious groups should
educate themselves. The issues are too serious to allow
Doug Henwood wrote:
How do we know there's been a sharper concentration? Thirty years ago,
there were three major players in the U.S. auto market; now there are what,
5 or 10?
Firstly: remember that the large auto corporations are TNCs which produce
and sell autos in many different national
I was struck by the fact that the "history" doesn't include the _names_ of
*any* URPE founders or leaders!!! Don't you think that David Gordon and
others deserve a mention? Without any names, URPE's history sounds rather
faceless and impersonal.
Jerry
I am trying to figure out how to block this person from spamming us with
commercials. If anybody has any ideas, please let me know.
Michael:
Yes. Unsubscribe that person and Shawgi -- who spams us everyday with
essays from some other list which have nothing to do with PEN-L
discussions.
Michael Perelman wrote:
The financial times reported today that
High-quality scientific journals which are
"must-reads" for their subscribers are a highly
profitable business with margins as high as 40 per
cent.
That's very interesting, Michael (and fits-in rather well into a recent
thread
Doug Henwood wrote:
At 10:14 AM 10/19/96, SHAWGI TELL wrote:
..yet another diatribe.
Shawgi Tell, if you made some effort to converse with the people on the
lists you post these screeds to I might feel a little different about them.
But as it is, it just reads like spams. One tedious
Re Susan Fleck's comments:
To accuse Michael Perelman of Stalinism re the Shawgi Affair is to abuse
the term Stalinism and devoid it of its historical and political meaning.
Jerry
ed message --
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:51:09 -0500 (EST)
From: SHAWGI TELL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gerald Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Official Complaint
Hi:
This is to officially register a complaint with the postmaster at pratt
regarding the harassment coming from Gerald Levy (user id is
[EMAIL
What about spending per household on yachts?
Yeah, that's a serious question. NZ has, by far, the highest per capita
rate of recreational boat ownership. Boat ownership in NZ is certainly not
limited to the wealthy, moreover, and extends to a large percentage of
working class families. Yet, the
bill mitchell wrote:
Both australia and NZ are outdoor places and aquatic. but jerry, there is a
significant difference b/tw a 60 metre america's cup boat that hangs
around the wealthy moorings in wellington or auckland, and the working
class "mirror" which dad and mum tow behind there
Robert Cherry wrote:
Whatever the outcome of the Swangi Tell saga, I am struck by the looseness
of the use of the term "Stalinism."
This is not a matter for dispute. The person in question has written in
great length in defense of Stalin.
It upsets me just as much as when the
left used
Tom Walker wrote:
Blair wrote
And you a Marxist! Doug, theory tells us that the rate of profit falls over
time. These data must be incorrect! ;-)
To Doug: when are you going to define and measure the empirical statistics
that you use in a Marxist way?
To Blair: (a) as you know, there is
Blair Sandler wrote:
Marx spent twice as many pages (K, vol. III, chs. 14 and
15) elaborating the "countertendencies" as he did the tendency itself (ch.
13). In my reading of CAPITAL, Marx was arguing not *for* but *against* the
Ricardian notion that the rate of capital falls.
Certainly,
Michael P wrote on Thursday:
Tomorrow, I hope that I can remember myself, I am going to ask all posters
from the U.S. to hold off posting to pen-l to encourage those from other
countries to introduce themselves or to tell us how pen-l could serve them
better.
We have probably 100 people from
Paul: you might consider sending a similar message to OPE-L./Jerry
On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Paul Zarembka wrote:
The Web site for RESEARCH IN POLITICAL ECONOMY has been opened up at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PZarembka
At the present time the contents of the last two issues are
Doug Henwood wrote:
For some reason, I've just been reading Baudrillard's absurd book, The
Transparency of Evil. To B., the political economy of the "sign" has
replaced the p.e. of value.
But, Doug: I thought you rejected value theory. Is that a sign that you
have something in common with
Doug Henwood wrote:
Value is a
concept, a way of thinking about a social relation. What I object to is the
attempt to put numbers on it, to do Marxian econometrics with it.
How can value *only* have a qualitative dimension? By ignoring the
quantitative dimension and the value-form, value
Tom Walker wrote:
Roediger and Foner argue "The length of the workdays... has historically
been the central issue raised by the American labor movement during its most
dynamic periods of organization".
That may be true, but there is some controversy among labor historians
regarding how
Jim: You wouldn't call the period since 1952 [44 years] the "long run"?
Given what Dumenil Levy [no relation, I think, JL] write below, isn't
Alejandro's quote accurate?
Jerry
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alejandro Valle Baeza writes that: I think that Dumenil et al
showed
Ellen Dannin wrote:
Actually, I think the opposite is the case. The organization needs to
admit it IS an employer vis a vis these employees and to decide that it
wants to be a progressive model of an employer. Instead, what I have
observed happens most often is that the organization
bill mitchell wrote:
Doug said:
But really, we popular types should stay out of theory, right? The hell
with that. I had my first confrontation with theory at Yale in 1971, a very
early beachead for the French invasion. In continued with it at the
University of Virginia English department.
Alex Izurieta wrote:
well... 'Understanding' denotes there is a certain 'logic'
underneath. What if there is any ? What if the so-called theory is a
non-theory, as pomos themselves pretend by aiming at being the
quintessence of 'deconstructionism' (of every theory, and consequently
Fikret Ceyhun wrote:
The other day I was at my dentist's office for checkup and
cleaning. As the dental assistant was scraping my teeth I was thinking: is
she blue collar or white collar worker? I know she is "unproductive"
worker. Can someone care to comment?
(1) The color of a
If you could explain it using
relatively simple, straightforward language, I'd appreciate it; that way we
can make sure that everybody can play (those who chimes in on the anti-pomo
side have to play by the same rules: anybody who uses terms like
"fetishism" or "commodity production" will
Tom Walker wrote:
I stood in the bookstore for about 20
minutes leafing through _Spectres of Marx_ hoping for some clue of an excuse
to buy it, take it home and read it.
So, Steve, tell us: what's the story? What's it about?
Oh, yeah: why don't you ask him to summarize _Capital_ for a 30
So, how about it: _Spectres of
Marx_ in thirty seconds? Or fifteen or ninety if you like.
Tavis
If you think I'm going to summarize Derrida or _Capital_ in 15, 30, or 90
seconds, you've got another thing coming.
My point is that one can *not* legitimately summarize a complex body of
ideas
Tom Walker wrote:
I'm happy to go back to my original complaint about not being able to
determine, in a 20 minute perusal, whether Derrida's Spectre of Marx would
be worth buying and reading. I assure you that I accord much less than 20
minutes to most new books that come into the bookstore.
Two (relatively) brief comments:
(1) One doesn't have to be a fan of post-modernism to appreciate that the
old forms of "discourse" among leftists leave much to be desired. One only
has to read recent exchanges on PEN-L to appreciate this point. I don't
know: maybe I'm just getting old and
Doug Henwood wrote:
Old language: "The boss is screwing you. Organize and fight back."
New language: "The metanarratives are all broken. Liberate yourself through
freeplay in the deliciously slippery world of discourse!"
This is progress?
No, it's not progress.
It's not progress when
it is hard to see how this discussion of postmodernism could remind anyone of
the moscow show trials. try as they might the psotmodernists [...]
but it seems silly to respond to doug and others who criticize the pomos
by accusing them of stalinism.
michael yates
Just to set the record
There are frequently major differences in ideology, perspective, and
personalities among faculty and students in different economics
departments. This is also - and sometimes even more - the case at radical
econ. departments. It is by no means limited to UMass/Amherst.
I was also burned by a
Antonio C wrote:
Perhaps what you say has validity as an issue in general. You, however,
were careful not to levy personal charges out of context, as Baimoan and
bohmer have with respect to Resnick and Wolff. If we want to discuss this
general issue at some point, it might be a good thing.
Michael Yates wrote:
i do sign my remarks, "in solidarity" but i don't believe that i've
ever made a scurrilous attack on anyone.
See [PEN-L:7175].
Sanctimonious preaching,
Jerry
Weren't the Democrates in majority in both houses when Clinton's health bill
was defeted? If so, then what are you talking about? Cheers, ajit sinha
Also: the Democrats controlled Congress when NAFTA was passed.
Of course, labor overwhelmingly supported the Dems anyway -- it's all part
of the
The following was posted on another list and Patrick Mason asked that it
be passed along to other lists for consideration and action. You can
contact Patrick directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Given California's approval of prop 209, should we begin lobbying for west
coast ASSA conventions to be
rakesh bhandari wrote:
Instead of simply blaming "whites" for this
reaction or treating whites as an inherently oppressive people, I was
trying to suggest that such paranoia, though real (is this a racist
accusation?), may be the result in part of racial kind making by the
state.
Is it
There's an article with this title in the current New Yorker, by
John Cassidy. One quote:
"A number of important economic phenomena remain beyond our comprehension.
The two most significant developments in the American economy over the
past twenty years are the slowdown in productivity
On the issue of whether teen pregnancy is a "social problem", one can
support the *right* of teenage women to have children and _still_ note
that it is (or can be) a social problem. It _can_ be a problem for the
living standard and welfare of the young mother and her child. It can (and
this
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
Louis Proyect is a snitch, a ratfink, a stool
pigeon, an informer. Not only that, he is proud of it
and brags about it.
What Louis P. does is that when he is especially
annoyed with someone, he posts their internet postings
to their professional
Trond Andresen wrote:
So i am now asking you guys out there, especially in the U.S.: Have
individuals on the left in your country been allowed access to files on
themselves with the (secret) police, at least such files that have been
illegally created?
It is (or was) possible to obtain
Michael Hoover wrote:
check the forward to Hal Draper's "Karl Marx's Theory of Revolution"
Vol 2...forward is entitled "How Not to Quote Marx"...Michael
Or check-out Ch. 1 of Joseph O'Malley and Keith Algozin ed. _Rubel on Karl
Marx_ (Cambridge, CUP, 1981).
to what end?...my
Hm, Jason, do you think this quote is referring to Chicago or the New
School?
maggie coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think you should ask Stephen Roach, Maggie.
A few comments:
(1) A lot of those who receive PhDs in economics are less than desired by
Wall Street investment firms. Perhaps
I know it's impolite to write to this address for this, but can somebody
tell me how to suspend my pen-l list over the holiday so that my mailbox
doesn't jam up?
Many thanks,
Paul Cheney
Since others may have the same question, I will respond to all:
To suspend your mail send a message to
Louis Proyect wrote:
What I lacked in knowledge I more than made up for in high-intensity
nastiness.
I am as much of a skunk as ever.
Some people don't know that much about
me, but Peter Burns knows enough to realize that "collegial" is not my
style. I go straight for the jugular.
On Wed, 1 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a son with a Ph D in economics and several years experience
in teaching and research. He is teaching on a one year term in a Canadian
university and earns less than a daughter who is fresh out of a fourth year
degree in geology and has
Doug Henwood wrote:
Let's do a bit of class analysis. You're a good bourgeois employer. Don't
you want your government to collect accurate information on the state of
the labor market? Don't you want to get some sense of its structure? Don't
you want to know what prevailing practices are -
Doug Henwood wrote:
You, the "good bourgeois employer", may want that information but you also
have an interest in labor and the poor *not* having accurate information.
Yes. So you publish it in places that workers and the poor can't easily get
to, [...]
The "good bourgeois employer" knows
Maggie wrote:
I think with the case of computers that most businesses truly did
not realize how they could be applied to their particular circumstances for
many years.
While I agree with your general point that historically one can observe
different paces associated with the diffusion of
DICKENS, EDWIN wrote:
I think there is a good reason why Marx did not have a complete
theory of the interest rate--namely, Marx's initial results
prompted him to postpone further consideration of the issue
until he got to his planned book on the state. snip
After abandoning his initial
Michael -- I thought you negotiated a deal for Shawgi Tell to post 2-3
times per week. Yet, he has been posting 2-3 (or more) messages/day. --
A non-euphoric, Jerry
Shawgi Tell
University at Buffalo
Graduate School of Education
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michael -- I thought you negotiated a deal for Shawgi Tell to post 2-3
times per week. Yet, he has been posting 2-3 (or more) messages/day. --
A non-euphoric, Jerry
Shawgi Tell
University at Buffalo
Graduate School of Education
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DICKENS, EDWIN wrote:
I think there is a good reason why Marx did not have a complete
theory of the interest rate--namely, Marx's initial results
prompted him to postpone further consideration of the issue
until he got to his planned book on the state. snip
After abandoning his initial
Tom Walker wrote:
Two years from now you won't be able to find an economist anywhere who
will admit to having believed in the 'natural rate of unemployment'.
You underestimate the ideological component in this concept. *Whatever
happens* in the next two years there will be economists who
Doug Henwood wrote:
Being the petty capitalist exploiter of youthful labor that I am (hi Jerry
Levy!) I'm in desperate need of a reporter/researcher/intern. $50 for 5-10
hours a week of work. Must be in NYC and have access to a good library.
Hi Doug! How generous of you to offer $5-10/hr.
"... recent technical innovations in communication and transportation are
of an incremental character and are therefore relatively insignificant."
I'm not exactly sure how "recent" is defined above, but wasn't the
development of the "chip", i.e. the microprocessor, something more than an
Michael Perelman wrote:
By the way, I was saddened to see the MRTA written off as pathetic losers
on pen-l.
Nonetheless, it was most revealing _about some Shining Path supporters_
that they actually _celebrated_ the death of the MRTA rebels ("another
obstacle out of the way" or words to that
Michael Perelman wrote:
I am trying to find a book to supplement the garbage texts that give
students an idea about what is going on. I have used Wallace Peterson's
The Silent Depression and before that Barlett and Steele.
Any suggestions?
You could check-out Michael Perelman's _The
-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:24:19 +0100 (BST)
From: "S.Mohun" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Job openings at QMW
snip
Dear Colleague
Please find below an advertisement for at least 3 Lectureships which I would be
grateful if you would bring to the attention of
On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, Chris Johnston wrote:
Came through a while back...
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Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:22:04 -0800
From: D Shniad [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip
29 August 1996
WHAT IS "NEO-LIBERALISM"?
A brief definition for activists
by Elizabeth Martinez
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Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:55:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dennis Grammenos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: BREAKING NEWS: Graduate Employees Win at U. of Illinois!!!
Greetings,
It is my honor to announce to you that the Graduate Employees'
Organization (GEO) at the U.
Colin Danby wrote:
Needless confusion was sown when the Chilean economist Alejandro Foxley
published _Latin American Experiments in Neoconservative Economics_ in
1983; its Spanish version, of course, was _Experimentos neoliberales en
America Latina_. Foxley must have felt at the time that
Jim Devine wrote:
The actual development of working class
movements is much less predictable than the development of capital.
Yeah, but the prediction of the actual development of capital hasn't been
that easy either. Perhaps it would be better for Marxists if they got out
of the predictive
I am trying to get hold of a paper or book that Anwar Shaikh published
in 1978. It was called 'National Income Accounts and Marxian
Categories' - I believe it was published by the New School for Social
Research.
Gerry Cotterell
You would be better advised to obtain a copy of the more
Firstly, I have too much respect for this list to answer Proyect, the
anti-labor snitch, here. There will be (more) flames, but it will be on
the undead list called marxism-international where it belongs.
Secondly, I respect and admire Michael P and, for that reason also, will
not burden this
DOUG ORR wrote:
One final question on this topic. I remember someone who has done a lot of
work on this topic is a woman named Cheryl P. Anyone would can help me
with her last name would be appreciated.
Payer
Jerry
Max Sawicky wrote,
Of course, when an asteroid exceeding
about 2 mi. in diameter hits the earth, it will
have paid to borrow after all, since much of the
consequent interest payments will be avoided.
You're taking the plot lines for recent made-for-tv movies a little too
much to heart.
Michael Perelman wrote:
Maybe we could redo the old sci-fi classic: invasion of the brain
snatchers.
Wasn't it invasion of the _body_ snatchers? Besides, there was a re-make
of the classic movie in the early '80's (?) with Donald Sutherland. The
original was better (although I liked the
Louis Proyect wrote:
There is a political
current emerging around journals such as Socialist Register, Monthly Review
and the German magazine "Socialismus" that will be more and more visible at
these sorts of venues.
The first couple of times I saw this misspelling I let it pass, thinking
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
Heck, I'll butt in here. Louis P. asked me off list
to use my near minimal influence with Jerry to get him to
calm down. snip
Please calm down, Jerry.
Although Michael would prefer that I not continue this thread, I think a
reply is in order. To
Hinrich Kuhls wrote:
Louis Proyect's brief report on the Rethinking Marxism Conference "Politics
and Languages of Contemporary Marxism" has been welcome as one of the
little bricks that are needed to end the ignorance regarding the issues
being discussed by the Left in different countries.
James Michael Craven wrote:
I would not characterize this so-called "scandal" of having a
"biased" commentor commenting on this conference as a "scandal of
international proportions." In the global scheme of things, this
journal, this conference and even this "biased" commentator on this
Rosser Jr, John Barkley wrote:
If _Monthly Review_ were
to have an article written about a conference of Austrian
economists, would you insist that they have Greg Ransom do
it, or alternatively somebody utterly bland with no known
views on Austrian economics or anything else? I think
The WSJ, March 20, contained a special section on Entertainment and
Technology. One article, "Where the Action is" (p. R19) about San
Francisco's SOMA (South of Market) "Multimedia Gulch," discussed the
development of interactive stories, and contained the following:
"One such story is an
Louis N Proyect wrote:
(I would urge people to shy away from Robin Hahnel's
work, however, since he is now revealed as an intellectual snob. Isn't it
funny how beneath the tie-dyed grooviness of a Z Magazine figure, there
lurks somebody who wants to rub your nose in their curricula vitae.)
Doug Henwood wrote:
Jerry, I know you're trying to be constructive after your recent
personality crisis - focusing on the positive can be very therapeutic -
You certainly have a way of raising the quality of discussion, Doug.
Jerry
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