Eric Sommer's parting words:
Hi there, Thanks to those who put me in touch with Michael
Lebowitz, my reason for joining the list. I'm now leaving the
list and will carry on communication with Michael.
JG sez:
I for one am profoundly dismayed to witness such an exponent
of acute ideology
On Feb 17, 2008 9:47 PM, Sandwichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A guy came into the food co-op today to pick up his four 25-pound
sacks of wheat. He advised me to pick up a couple of sacks of wheat
for yourself and store them in your basement. So I took a look at
recent news stories on
no-one can predict the future.
On Feb 17, 2008 5:22 PM, Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a recession is happening, ???
If? If?
Gene Coyle
--
Jim Devine / Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti. (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
is that peak food or a run-up of food prices due to the ethanol boom?
On Feb 18, 2008 12:47 AM, Sandwichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A guy came into the food co-op today to pick up his four 25-pound
sacks of wheat. He advised me to pick up a couple of sacks of wheat
for yourself and store them
Safety Subverted In China's Mines
Corruption Comes to the Surface After Disaster That Halted Production
By Edward Cody
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, February 18, 2008; A10
LINFEN, China -- Mining has resumed in the frigid shafts, and long lines
of 18-wheelers laden with coal once
Sigh... big cars in the Chinese media. The global oil suply will last
a *few* more years, until the level of affluence, and the commuter
class which drives (sic) that affluence reaches a point where EVERYONE
in China can afford a car.
My regret on Eric's leaving is not being able to discuss
Paul Phillips wrote:
Why should this surprise anyone? Every labour economist worth her salt
knows that unemployment and job loss is a major factor in family breakup
as is suicide, alcoholism, mental illness and crime, all of which are
correlated/related to the incidence of family breakup.
This
markets work best when people are totally atomized, homo economi,
rather than acting like homo sapiens.
jim
On 2/18/08, Perelman, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Phillips wrote:
Why should this surprise anyone? Every labour economist worth her salt
knows that unemployment and job loss
On Feb 18, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Jim Devine wrote:
no-one can predict the future.
On Feb 17, 2008 5:22 PM, Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If a recession is happening, ???
If? If?
But 60 percent of Americans (together with a few economists)
can see the present.
Shane Mage
On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:38 AM, John Gulick wrote:
Eric Sommer's parting words:
Hi there, Thanks to those who put me in touch with Michael
Lebowitz, my reason for joining the list. I'm now leaving the
list and will carry on communication with Michael.
JG sez:
I for one am profoundly dismayed
A couple of thoughts. The extreme drought in Australia has severely
impacted that large producer of wheat. The US boom in ethanol has
driven US corn prices soaring. And the switch to corn raised soybean
prices.
Having acknowledged that, I would add that actual agricultural
commodity
If prices rise, doesn't it put some of the marginal corn producers back
in the game?
I'm thinking about Mexico.
Eugene Coyle wrote:
A couple of thoughts. The extreme drought in Australia has severely
impacted that large producer of wheat. The US boom in ethanol has
driven US corn prices
me:
no-one can predict the future.
Eugene Coyle wrote:
If a recession is happening, ???
If? If?
Shane:
But 60 percent of Americans (together with a few economists)
can see the present.
now those 60% are likely not familiar with the technical definition of
recession. Okay,
On 2/18/08, Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having acknowledged that, I would add that actual agricultural
commodity costs are not the most important component of what we call
food prices at the supermarket.
Two points, though. One is that the demand for the basic food
On 2/18/08, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no-one can predict the future.
I thought it was, it's tough to make predictions -- especially about
the future, or something like that.
--
Sandwichman
The Blessed Max wrote:
If prices rise, doesn't it put some of the marginal corn producers back
in the game?
I'm thinking about Mexico.
it's possible that it could intensify the incentive for the rich to
steal the poor's land.
--
Jim Devine / Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti. (Go your
I think it was John K. Galbraith who said something like: When it comes
to forecasting there are two kinds of economists: those who know that
they don't know and those that don't.
Rudy
Sandwichman wrote:
On 2/18/08, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
no-one can predict the future.
I
The ECONOMIST once said that when one forecasts, one can say what's
going to happen or when -- but not both.
On 2/18/08, Rudy Fichtenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it was John K. Galbraith who said something like: When it comes
to forecasting there are two kinds of economists: those who
Have many already lost their land?
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 02:24:24PM -0500, Max B. Sawicky wrote:
If prices rise, doesn't it put some of the marginal corn producers back
in the game?
I'm thinking about Mexico.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA
On Monday 18 February 2008 15:03:05 ravi wrote:
[from Crooks and Liars]
Here is a video that should warm Michael Smith's heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u6lCBnRoHQ
I don't like blaming the public, but I did enjoy the Wildean
twist on that stupid old trope, If you don't vote, you have
Jim, everyone can predict the future.
Monetary policy is based on predicting the future. The stock market
is based on predicting the future. I predict the future when I buy my
lottery ticket.
But my comment reflected my concern that you were going over to
Henwood's dark side.
Gene
I don't know.
Gene
On Feb 18, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Sandwichman wrote:
On 2/18/08, Eugene Coyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Having acknowledged that, I would add that actual agricultural
commodity costs are not the most important component of what we call
food prices at the supermarket.
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Monday, March 10th at 7 pm
On Feb 18, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Eugene Coyle wrote:
But my comment reflected my concern that you were going over to
Henwood's dark side.
I think the U.S. economy is probably in recession, or maybe it's just
some sort of structural problem that could go on for years. Is that
the dark side?
It's
In the current situation of rapidly rising food prices, I think one has
to consider both the factors affecting supply and demand (separately)
and also the short and the long run factors affected future projected
food prices. The current run up in prices have been attributed
primarily to the
Paul gave some excellent warnings. Don't forget water shortages,
elimination of ag. land via urbanization, and the poor treatment of the
remaining ag. land.
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax
On Feb 18, 2008, at 1:56 PM, Jim Devine wrote:
The ECONOMIST once said that when one forecasts, one can say what's
going to happen or when -- but not both.
Yogi Berra might as well have said, When you come to a choice between
what or when, take it.
The Uncertainty Principle rears again its
I have a few words for Doug, Louis, and you too John...
Simple-minded Vicious Assholes.
Simple-minded? No, in fact I was set off (and I suspect
so too were Doug and Louis, but I'm not their mouthpiece)
by Eric's consistently demonstrated simple-mindedness,
his repeated insistence that one can
Leigh has left the list. I mentioned that I thought that Lou's first comment
was a
bit too harsh.
I would have hoped that we could have learned something from Eric; that he could
have moved beyond boilerplate engaged with John G. Marty. I am not sure
that
that could have happened.
--
Leigh has left the list. I mentioned that I thought that Lou's
first comment was a
bit too harsh.
I would have hoped that we could have learned something from Eric;
that he could
have moved beyond boilerplate engaged with John G. Marty. I am
not sure that
that could have happened.
--
A very troubling report:
http://cas.umkc.edu/aaup/facadv23.html
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901
www.michaelperelman.wordpress.com
You may be right.
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 08:43:27PM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
It is actually not in very good form to subscribe to a mailing list
and begin posting long provocative essays right off the bat. He would
have been better off easing into the discussion. Frankly, I don't
think he
On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:27 PM, John Gulick wrote:
(Unfortunately characters like
this, who no matter their well-meaning guise are not
capable of Socratic dialogue, frequent Louis' list and he
can smell them coming from a mile away.)
Socratic dialogue! That's a new one! Its a good term though
On Feb 18, 2008, at 9:45 PM, Michael Perelman wrote:
You may be right.
No, he is not. Michael, with all respect (to you and to LP), this is
all guesswork on what he was interested in or not. And as Gulick's
response demonstrates, there was no attempt to productively engage
him, but quite the
MP posted:
I would have hoped that we could have learned something from Eric; that he
could
have moved beyond boilerplate engaged with John G. Marty. I am not sure
that
that could have happened.
JG sez:
I wince at the suggestion that I'm in the same league as Marty when it comes to
the
On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:03 PM, ravi wrote:
Doug questioned the guys credibility by
calling Fox News polemical genius and other such stuff
They are geniuses of polemic. That's a completely noncontroversial
statement. I'm almost embarrassed by the obviousness of it, in fact.
Doug
(Unfortunately characters like this, who no matter their
well-meaning guise are not capable of Socratic dialogue
frequent Louis' list and he can smell them coming from a
mile away.)Socratic dialogue! That's a new one! Its a good term
though -- single-dimensional attack on the side of
On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:42 PM, Doug Henwood wrote:
On Feb 18, 2008, at 10:03 PM, ravi wrote:
Doug questioned the guys credibility by
calling Fox News polemical genius and other such stuff
They are geniuses of polemic. That's a completely noncontroversial
statement. I'm almost embarrassed by
Well, the best thing that has come out of this episode (aside from
contact with an old student who I will definitely quiz) is John's
comment below:
John Gulick wrote:
There is indeed a tiny core of principled eco-socialists
in the PRC's Environmental Ministry that desperately promoted
the
http://platosbeard.org/archives/306
The big news is of course the elections in Pakistan --ravi
= Wall St. Banks Confront a String of Write-Downs - NYT
URL:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/business/19banks.htmlex=1361077200en=fe688fa0499bb530ei=5090partner=rssuserlandemc=rss
In recent
Mike Lebowitz asks:
I really would like to hear more about (a) that core of
principled eco-socialists and (b) those militant anti-
pollution movements.
JG:
With regard to (a), I was thinking mainly of Pan Yue (the
director of the Environmental Ministry) and his acolytes.
The bureau he
Greetings Economists,
On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:20 PM, ravi wrote:
I believe they are geniuses of
nothing, even if they tend to offer the polemical, unless of course we
consider success a sole measure of genius. i.e., Fox News is
successful at riling up the obvious suspects and the cheapest
Greetings Economists,
On Feb 18, 2008, at 8:03 PM, John Gulick wrote:
who brings more
clutter than enlightenment to left-wing maillists.
Doyle;
Many Lists seem to function on the principle of argument and perhaps
long threads with a lot of detail. What's the purpose?
In most cases there is
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