Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-25 Thread Stuart Elliott
www.laborstart.org Labour Start - Original Message - From: Walt Byars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea Hi, can anyone recommend some books or articles

Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-23 Thread Louis Proyect
Walt Byars wrote: Hi, can anyone recommend some books or articles criticizing the (absurd sounding) claim that that the idea of political freedom and its desirability were invented in the West and only exists in other cultures because of Western influence (and similar such claims)? I don't

Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-23 Thread Anthony D'Costa
At the risk of more rants, I will also recommend Sen's The Argumentative Indian. There are a couple of chapters (the first two) that deal with democracy, pluralism, and voice in a broad (Indian) historical sweep making precisely the argument that democracy is neither new nor western in

Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-23 Thread Jim Devine
me: On the other hand, Western-style possessive individualism (a.k.a. anti-social personality disorder) does seem to have arisen with capitalism, somewhere between 1600 and 1700. (The first well-known book with this sort of ideology is Hobbes' LEVIATHAN, published in 1660.) Possessive

Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-23 Thread Perelman, Michael
I don't know if individualist communitarianism initially had something comparable to the slaves, but it did differ from possessive individualism in the sense that it did not place of high-value on consumptionism, but rather on people developing their own potential -- something like From: PEN-L

Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-22 Thread Jim Devine
On Wednesday, August 22, 2007 at 16:18:08 (-0400) Walt Byars writes: Hi, can anyone recommend some books or articles criticizing the (absurd sounding) claim that that the idea of political freedom and its desirability were invented in the West and only exists in other cultures because of

Re: [PEN-L] Books/ articles criticizing this eurocentric idea

2007-08-22 Thread Michael Perelman
Bruni, Luigino. 2006. Civil Happiness: Economics and Human Flourishing in Historical Perspective (London: Routledge). He says that a very attractive type of individualist communitarianism existed in Italy in the 13th century until the tyrants took over the city states. Machiavelli reflected