and implications
for the world [dis]order.
Mark Jones
of capitalism?
Mark Jones
feature which altho it meant your
knees are under your chin, also meant you had less far to fall when drunk on
vodka.
(BTW, I think it's wrong
to say that we're running out of oil.
You think so? Check this out:
http://www.simmonsco-intl.com/web/downloads/whitepaper.pdf
Mark Jones
http
st"...
To deny the heterogeneity of the
different things collected under
the heading of "essentialism" is
"essentially" "essentialist"...
Listen, I have a small jar of vanilla essence in my kitchen, what does that
make me? Vanilla or essential?
Mark Jones
especially the bit about the
withering away of the state. What a pathetic joke.
Where have you been, Barkley? Tell me the truth. Russia?
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
-shocks and a radical reordering of the
world's monetary and financial flows. The longer term consequences will be
still more profound.
Laherrere's paper is archived at the Crashlist site:
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
Mark Jones
that the
bourgeoisie would rue his painful illnesses, was an incorrigible belief in
the certain outcome of events, but it was not to be. He was not justified by
events, and died painfully, in despair, defeated and in obscurity.
Mark Jones
an
physics swallowed Newton's physics.
Oh, well, I'm bound to say that this is to misread both Einstein's
intentions and his results.
Mark Jones
; or, best of all, Leopold Haimson's classic: The
Making of 3 Revolutionaries: Voices from the Menshevik Past
Mark Jones
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I think the link between Marx and Rousseau would best be found through
Hegel
There is an abundance of sources on the Web on climate change.
I shall post a selection later today. A good one is Jay Hanson's website:
http://www.dieoff.org/page1.htm
(he has around 200 pages). A similar debate is going on at Pen-L
where the subject of tradable emissions permits is being
The problem I still have with taxing pollution, let alone with trading
permits which is the moral equivalent of trading in human beings or
worse, is that I keep asking myself how we got here in the first place?
A century and a half of similar well-meant social reforms which collectively
managed
As the person who started the thread about Liebig and watched
it turn into the dino-asteroid debate, I'd like to note that my
attempts to connect Liebig's ideas about closed systems,
with value-theory, accumulation and Marxian ideas about
immanent laws of motion, was a question in economics not
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
Jim Devine's argument that the property relations in the US --
where most
people were small time owners (as opposed to Europe)
Actually, this is wrong for UK anyway. As now, then too the UK
was ahead of everyone except the US.
In England, the number of small (yeoman,
Doug Henwood wrote:
In some ways, that's too easy: the "economic" questions are dismissed as
trivial in the face of "politics." But what is "politics" in this sense?
What would an actual regime do in the face of imperialist hostility? How do
you get people housed, clothed, educated, and
Doug Henwood wrote:
The point was to refute Mark's rather odd
pastoral take on Chilean agri- and aquaculture, which seems to be related
to his rather odd but enthusiastic recent participation in American
triumphalism.
No, Doug. Only one question matters: how to conduct People's War.
Isn't
Doug Henwood wrote:
How can you be so sure that industrial
development in Chile would necessarily "decant poverty, rural distress and
latifundism elsewhere in the 3rd world"?
If it didn't, then soemthing wholly new an unprecedented in the history of
capitalism would have happened and I would
Boddy,
You owned a 70s MG??? What was it, V8 BGT?
Mark
inside the machinery.
What was that you were saying about T-Bills, discount rates and the Yen?
Sorry, I just wasn't paying attention
Mark
Doug Henwood wrote:
Mark Jones wrote:
Doug, tell me as a Marxist: is it better for the world if people pick
strawberries or make 4x4's?
I suppose
it is, like his, clear enough. But let's not
personalise, let's debate, yes? Do me the favour of deconstructing my work; or just
ignore me. I'm happy either way.
Mark
William S. Lear wrote:
On Sat, April 18, 1998 at 09:02:22 (+0100) Mark Jones writes:
William S. Lear wrote:
Nothing like
Valis wrote:
The pp profile of a country demographically capable of fielding
a gigantic army within a decade closely resembles the head-on profile
of a 19th-century battleship, curiously enough.
How come? I don't get this. Japan's fertility rate is 1.5 and the
population is imploding,
rves occur
which was the sole guarantee of the mode of production
as a whole breaking-out from the impasse of a cyclical
downturn and relaunching accumulation on a still higher,
more intensive -- more beneficent! plain.
The entire history of protocapitalist accumulation
seemed to confirm this.
Mark Jones
post-marxism which is bound
to be developed in the future.
Thanks, Lou.
Mark Jones
A genetic engineer has created a mouse with ears that
glow in the dark, by splicing firefly genes into mouse DNA.
More practically, transgenic pigs that freeze to death if left
in the open because the human genes they've got don't let
them accumulate fat, already make our bacon. Coming soon:
William S. Lear wrote:
Nothing like a little exaggeration to help one's argument, is there?
Oh, yeah? Try this for size, from today's London Times (note the final
optimistic sentence). As for Doug Henwood's false optimism, since you share the
same disease (myopia) to an even greater degree,
Doug's question about what lies behind Chile's alleged 7% growth
rate implies a judgment that salmon fisheries and apple orchards
are intrinsically less worthwhile endeavours than say car assembly
or silicon chip plants. Perhaps we should question that, maybe by
discussing the existential meaning
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
Ah, yes, this explains the amazing resurgence of that British car
industry, yes?
Dennis, your fascination with widgets blinds you to certain truths about the
contemporary set-up.
As well as those powerhouse Brit electronics/software/
semiconductor firms, busily
No need to speculate, Bill, here are the facts (we were discussing
Dennis's views about the unimportance of the UK vis a vis Japan
and Germany).
Net Foreign Purchases of U.S. Bonds
(In millions of U.S. dollars)
Government Corporate Total
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
You're making the classic rentier mistake of confusing short-term
profitability
I hope I manage to profit from my mistakes as much as they do.
(the accumulation of finance capital) versus long-term
profitability (market share). The whole point of my argument is
Dennis wrote:
Markets can be pretty irrational, not just for
months but for years.
This is a cop-out. Markets are neither rational nor irrational. They exist and
what occurs is susceptible of explanation.
Short-term bobs in interest rates aren't the same thing as long-term trends.
The
Rakesh, you are homing in on the key issue, that of accumulation on a
world-scale. The mythology, and it is no more than that, that Japan and
Germany are the Vulcan's smithies of Anglo-Saxon rentier capitalism,
needs debunking in VALUE terms, ie, we need to get a handle on the
relationship
This isn't a debate WITh Dennis so much as a debate ABOUT mistaken views of the
world-system. Yes, I agree entirely. The system is unified. And
financial-imperial hegemony rules. That's more or less my whole point.
Mark
James Devine wrote:
I haven't been able to dedicate enough attention to
Doug Henwood wrote:
One of my reservations about the PPP technique is that I'm convinced that
the IMF and such use it to make global comparisons less embarrassing.
Zimbabwe's PPP at $2,030 sounds a lot better than its cash income at $540
(World Bank figures). Even so, Zim's PPP income was
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
Mark, I hate to break the news to you, but in 1990 a little thing called the
Berlin Wall was bulldozed by, well, some revolutionaries. Germany's
11% unemployment is due to the collapse of the GDR economy; unemployment
is 18% and higher in the ex-GDR, and many of those
You need a long spoon to sup with the IBRD, it's true. However,
propaganda which relies upon publicly abandoning the most significant
indicator of market-driven progress is pretty double-edged. It's
tacitly abandoning the capitalist dream altogether.
Doug, do you know any insiders at
/2 years, probation, 500 hours community
service .. and when he continued to insist on his right to his own
ideas, Taborsky was assigned to a chain gang for two months.
Be warned, knowledge-workers, you are the feudal servitors of the
Information Age.
Mark Jones
Sperm counts.
Doug Henwood wrote:
Speaking of indicators, The Nation has asked me to put together a set of
economic/social indicators, to be published quarterly, that would be
revealing, interesting, and against the grain of conventional thinking.
Any suggestions?
Doug
For once I disagree with Rakesh: Mattick fell into productivist error,
which Marx defintiely did not (and I remember the strong terms in
which Alfred Sohn-Rethel, who knew Mattick, criticised him for this).
Better to read the Grundrisse than Wages, Prices and Profit, and then
to put Mattick's
William S. Lear wrote:
And how, exactly, is the marginal cost of info-production zero? I can
understand how this might be very small, for certain "info". But even
replicating electronic messages carries a cost that is non-zero (ever
try to administer a busy, high-speed network or a mail
valis wrote:
Is this comment (and I agree with the part about America) meant to support
orthodox revolution as an option, or does it intend something else?
I don't believe in the permanence of capitalism, if that's what you mean. But I do
not know, and I don't think anyone does, how things
Trying searching on the names Robert Costanza and Cutler Cleveland.
Mark
valis wrote:
== Two days ago Mark Jones used this term in connection with
possibilities of capitalism's demise; it was the first time
I'd seen the concept deployed anywhere outside of ghost stories
(though
Wojtek Sokolowski wrote:
The biggest lie about conflicts in the x-Soviet empire, disseminated by the
Anglo-American propaganda machine, is that those conflicts have ancient
ethnic roots. In fact, they have been re-introduced to the region, after
being nearly extinct under the "communist"
Didn't take long for the tame Senderologists to show their head, did it?
The problem with the kind of thinking Rob Saute exemplifies is that his
alternative is, well, what they've got: Fujimori and all the things which give
him aid and comfort. Jim Craven asks why the bile? I believe it's this:
Brian Green wrote:
However, with Robert Saute, I would add that it is not possible, nor
desirable, to ignore the human rights issues
Meaning, we must take the PCP at your evaluation rather than it's own. Fine, if
you also permit us reciprocally to question the totality of your own
What are the figures? There's been a lot of Jap and Asian and US
(even German) FDI.
But I don't believe anything any more. The State Department has
1995 Japanese GDP at $41k pc, the CIA at $21k ppp pc...
Mark
PS my real quation is still about the fate of Japan.
wrote:
Mark Jones replies to Brian Green, saying (among other things): Meaning,
we must take the PCP at your evaluation rather than it's own.
I believe that it was Marx and Engels who argued that we should judge
no-one according to their own self-evaluation (in THE GERMAN IDEOLOGY, I
believe
Dennis wrote:
Once
the forges of Magnitogorsk began to churn out T-72s in a big way, the tide
of the war changed for good.
I hate to quibble, but the forges of Chelyabinsk (not
Magnitogorsk) did not start churning out T-72s until at least the
1970s.
Mark
I presume the official concerned did not attempt to consult the 3 million men
aged between 23-45 who according to official Russians stats (cited on JRL)
died *in excess of * the demographic trendline since 1991. This calamity, the
worst ever in Russian peace time history,combined with falling
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was left to prevent
the final emergence of a truly global capitalism and its social
counterpart, a truly global working class.
Perhaps the liquidation of the Soviet Commune has now
created, not the capitalist utopia Blank craves, but the
preconditions for the World Revolution which Lenin dreamt
the
politics and strategies of the Peruvian Communisty Party, and the
lessons to be learnt.
Mark Jones
The Sunday Times has published an international league table of
universities, which bears on recent discussions here, as follows:
Centres of excellence
Harvard (US)
Yale (US)
Princeton (US)
Chicago (US)
Stanford (US)
Cambridge (UK)
Oxford (UK)
Reflecting again on this question and in the light of Alfred Sohn-
Rethel's Geistige und koerperliche Arbeit (1970 -- the English translation
is unfortunately deficient), and his Warenform und Denkform (1971,
untranslated, as far as I know) with its remarkable 1936 critique of
the Frankfurt
Like almost everybody else, I am hooked to the energy corporations, which I
do not admire. I hope to become less hooked to them. In my work, I try to be
as little hooked to them as possible. As a farmer, I do almost all of my
work with horses. As a writer, I work with a pencil or a pen and a
by Wendell Berry
Love the quick profit, the annual raise,
vacation with pay. Want more
of everything ready-made. Be afraid
to know your neighbors and to die.
And you will have a window in your head.
Not even your future will be a mystery
any more. Your mind will be punched in a card
and shut
Lou Proyect cited:
Another hater of nature was the hack Maxim Gorky whose novel "Belomor"
depicts the great dictator drawing up battle-plans against nature:
"Stalin holds a pencil. Before him lies a map of the region. Deserted
shores. Remote villages. Virgin soil, covered with boulders.
We are indebted to Lou Proyect for forwarding this latest from Chossudovsky.
Chossudovsky's trenchant analysis is pointed up by his weak prescriptions, which
in stark contrast call only for such sticking-plasters as more regulation of
stock markets, and 'An expanding real economy,' which
Robin Hahnel wrote:
Minimizing pollution, taken literally, means zero pollution, which means
not moving and not farting. That hardly seems optimal.
and
What's wrong with capitalism is no matter how hard we try to
achieve the optimal level of pollution reduction, we're doomed to fall
WAY,
capitalism. The paper is archived at:
http://website.lineone.net/~resource_base/
The CrashList site is at:
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
The message archives are open to non-Listers.
Mark Jones
/CrashList
the message archive is open to non-listers
Mark Jones
for
parallel green organisations in the USA, given that you can barely shove a
cigarette paper between her party's programme and that of the GPUSA. On
paper anyway. Lou's own account seems to stop before he gets to answering
that question. I'd like to know more, who can help?
Mark Jones
http
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
Alternative? For the Latin American left today this type of
revolutionary politics has long been discredited. Che may still be
respected but his strategy is not. Have you not heard the term "new
social movements"?
ricardo
Unfortunately the Latin American Left has
I know this is going to sound hackneyed, but isn't 'And your alternative?'
more or less what Ismay asked the captain when told the Titanic
definitely was going to sink?
However, if you consult the archives of Marxism-International, you will
see that the alternatives are what we talk about all
Some posts of mine are slow getting thru, but I've already now
commented at
length on the PPP question. However:
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
As Doug's post pointed out, the market GDP of Germany is, in per capita
terms, indeed much higher than that of the UK.
Less than $3k pa is so marginal as
Michael Perelman wrote:
What happens when you factor in the social wage, eg. health care, housing
subsidies, transportation costs, etc?
--
Michael, if you mean do they count in PPP GDP per capita? They do.
Mark
DM1880.2 bn does not equal = $1106bn but $1044 bn, as
the bottom line says. If anyone has a spreadsheet with the exact
currency spot rates, I should be interested to see a more refined
calculation. But the essential point remains: after 17 years of
Thatcherite 'restructuring', UK pc incomes are
On points raised by Doug Henwood and Dennis Redmond:
the IMF Dec 1997 World Outlook says inter alia that the UK unemployment
rate at end-96 was 5% and the FRG rate 12%.
I have been looking at the way the stats were massaged by the Tories,
and yes, you can add maybe three points to the UK
.And the IMF has yet another set of data (more favourable to the UK,
too). Not sure what the point of this is except to show that figures can vary.
Yes, obviously, UK pc GDP is now higher than FRG, by ANY test, and 10 yrs after
absorbing GDR, maybe it's not just tongue in cheek of me to
Dennis R Redmond wrote:
according
to the official OECD statistics -- about as mainstream as you'll ever find
-- the index of UK growth from 1989-96 was around 106 (meaning, the
economy was 6% larger in 1996 than in 1989) while the index of German
growth was around 112. Per capita GDP
Rob Schaap wrote:
What I share with Dennis (?) is the suspicion that triumphant and
triumphalist Anglo-Saxon capitalism represents a regime of accumulation
sans a tenable mode of regulation. Spiralling share markets, possibly
declining bond markets, ever less relevant reserve banks, social
Dennis wrote:
Wars in late capitalism are police actions against rogue semi-peripheries
or raw materials producers;
And as long as that remains the case there is no possibility that Europe or Asia
will shove US imperialism aside. The euro, which will most likely be a soft currency,
the yen or
Doug Henwood wrote:
I don't think it's this simple. Japan is suffering from a serious hangover
from its bubble days, a bubble caused in part by the partial deregulation
of its financial sector, itself caused in part by a policy of low interest
rates urged on them by the U.S. Germany and the
Doug Henwood wrote:
Mark Jones wrote:
No need to speculate, Bill, here are the facts (we were discussing
Dennis's views about the unimportance of the UK vis a vis Japan
and Germany).
I suspect a lot of those purchases attributed to the UK are for
international operations of all kinds
Here are the figures on commercial bank profitability, from the IMF 1997
report, International Capital Markets Developments, Prospects, and Key
Policy Issues (supplementary tables), which demonstrates the adverse
turn in the fortunes of Germany and Japan v. the Anglo-Saxon world. Not
much signs
Dennis wrote:
The point is that East Asia and Central Europe are going to be the key
battlegrounds for the global class struggle; in a world-economy where the
US makes up only around 20% of total production, and is trillions of euros
in debt to the new metropoles, we like Britain before us
Doug Henwood wrote:
I still think the euro is just downmarket DM and will only bring
stagflation to Europe. What it will NOT become is a reserve currency.
It's a portfolio decision.
But unless the EU runs up heroically big balance of payments deficits for a
few decades, how will euro
This is interesting. I didn't see the FT piece but (a) why do
people keep banging on about the euro becoming a reserve currency,
at the same time that the EU's fiscal and monetary policy remains
deflationary and export-promoting, and that is written into the
rules of the new Euro-Fed? The
will find discussion of Marxist theory and politics are LBO and the
Marxism lists.
On the crossposting problem. I agree with Mark Jones. I have been
profligate. I will no longer post any longer pieces to PEN-L. I will still
post to LBO and Marxism, however, if the item is of particular inte
Look, I'm not going to waste time debating Jerry Levy, who is what the
French call un ouanquère, but I do want to say that Lou Proyect is not
just a pal of mine, he is a totally principled, passionate and
dependable communist, as well as a clever man and a brilliant
thinker. I would be happy to
Which edition of the Larousse are you looking at?
Mark
Paul Zarembka wrote:
Mark Jones, If you are calling Jerry Levy "Un Ouanquere" (a word which
does not happen to rise to the level of being in my Larousse French
dictionary),
Ricardo, do you mean that an unprincipled person is someone who
deliberately believes things s/he knows to be untrue?
Wow, that's cool.
Mark
Ricardo Duchesne wrote:
From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[PEN-L:164] Re: Mark Jones on evaluating list members
Paul Zarembka wrote:
First
they came for the gays, but I am not a gay; then they came for the
Trotskyists, but I am not a Trotskyite; then they came...; then they came
for me and no one was left".
This would be the men in flapping white coats, presumably.
Mark
the recent interchange off. There is no reason for Jerry to
remain silent.
____
Mark Jones wrote on May 27, commenting on Paul Zarembka's paraphrasing:
First they came for the gays, but I am not a gay; then they came for
the Trotskyists, but I am not a
to flame
people.
Mark
Mark
Gerald Levy wrote:
Mark Jones wrote:
Michael has repeatedly asked for this absurd flaming to stop. Is it not
time to DO something to stop it?
The day before Mark Jones wrote (to Paul Zarembka):
This (i.e. those arresting Paul Z, JL) would be the men
least for the time being),
relative to the price Niemoeller faced, as to not be worth mentioning.
Niemoeller, who died in 1984 (I believe he survived 7 years in Nazi
concentration camps), would be highly unlikely to disagree or to recommend
the "silence" Michael P. has recommended.
Paul
from Justice the
possibility of redemption, irretrievably secularising the world, reducing
justice to mere vendetta, empty of all content except the vanity of the
bourgeois or the impotent fury of the slighted academic.
Mark Jones
, rather
than an inherent quality of growth and decay, removed from Justice the
possibility of redemption, irretrievably secularising the world, reducing
justice to mere vendetta, empty of all content except the vanity of the
bourgeois are the impotent fury of the slighted academic.
Mark Jones
: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:54:50 +0100
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From: Mark Jones
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I am grateful for this debate, which has more than just
historiographical significance.
The EH-Net threads on Re-thinking 18th Century
I would like to see pen-l develop into a forum for deeper and more extended debates on
political economy, archived, and serving some of the functions of
an e-journal, ie, encouraging the submission of paper-length articles with folow up
debates.
Mark
I would like to have read it but couldn't import it into Lotus Wordpro 96
or into MS Word 2.0, dunno why. If Anthony reposts it a s a straight text
file that could be good.
Mark
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did anyone else read this paper? It was a very interesting exercize on
the difficulty of
Days after a petulant Thabo Mbeki (Mandela's anointed
successor as President of S Africa) complained to his
ex-SACP comrades of the unreasonableness of making
socialist demands at a time 'when our financial markets, like
others in other parts of the world,
lurking for
the larger good
--
Mark Jones
http://www.geocities.com/~comparty
no better off than
the constipated Calvinists in Washington, and their programs will fail.
Others are welcome to address any further rebuttals.
valis
--
Mark Jones
http://www.geocities.com/~comparty
Forwarded from Sven Buttler. Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Comrades,
The Capital Reading Group has been formed in order to study
Karl Marx's "Das Kapital", one of the most important
theoretical works in the history of marxism - and surely one of the
most challenging, too. Revealing the inner
Frances Bolton (PHI) wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Mark Jones wrote:
I'm sorry I've copped out of this debate: you and Lou and others
don't need my help anyway, but my two
penn'orth is that I support what you are doing down the line; and (not that they
need my support anyway) I
also
James Michael Craven wrote:
It is only a PR disaster if Indians give a damn what a bunch of
self-appointed/righteous white, middle-class, granola-eating environmentalists
think or
say--which most don't.
Jim, I'm sorry I've copped out of this debate: you and Lou and others don't need my
y
c/o Dept. of Biosciences
Open University
Walton Hall, Milton Keynes
MK7 6AA, UK
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Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
research. The human genome will not be privatised.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
comments on the 20th anniversary of this classic
prediction of the end of Big Oil.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
"Forgotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis"
by Albert A. Bartlett
University of Colorado at Boulder
Background
Around 1969, college and universit
comments on the 209th anniversary of this classic
prediction of the end of Big Oil.
Mark Jones
http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList
"Forgotten Fundamentals of the Energy Crisis"
by Albert A. Bartlett
University of Colorado at Boulder
Background
Around 1969, college and universit
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