On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Ricardo Signes perl...@rjbs.manxome.orgwrote:
* Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com [2013-09-17T11:26:40]
Just as I expected, make it a wiki means it gets warnocked again.
Can we please make a decision, or if we must first come to an agreement
on
how to
* Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com [2013-09-17T11:26:40]
Just as I expected, make it a wiki means it gets warnocked again.
Can we please make a decision, or if we must first come to an agreement on
how to make it?
Allow me to offer this:
perl...@rjbs.manxome.org; perl-qa@perl.org
perl-qa@perl.org
Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013, 17:26
Subject: Re: TAP::Harness and -w
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Ovid curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm winding up with astonishingly little bandwidth due to launching our
company, so I
* Ovid curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com [2013-09-18T04:19:28]
As I said in my previous email on July 7th: backwards-incompatible changes to
the backwards-compatibility layer (Test::Harness) are not a good idea. The
proper response is to have people impacted by this issue switch to
TAP::Harness, as
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Ricardo Signes perl...@rjbs.manxome.orgwrote:
It looks like Module::Build already has use_tap_harness. So what's
suggested
is a patch to ExtUtils::MM_Any to switch from Test::Harness to
TAP::Harness...?
Or both just setting $Test::Harness::switches = ''…
* Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com [2013-09-18T19:21:44]
Or both just setting $Test::Harness::switches = ''…
Yes. I was cleaning out ~/tmp on the flight over here and I found this dzil
plugin:
package inc::STFUEUMM;
use Moose;
extends 'Dist::Zilla::Plugin::MakeMaker';
use
Cons of adding -w to test runs:
- you get warnings from dependencies (and their dependencies) because -w
enables global action at a distance
- using fatal warnings may cause your test suite to fail because of
warnings in dependencies you don't directly control
- you could
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Ovid curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm winding up with astonishingly little bandwidth due to launching our
company, so I was hoping to see a strong consensus from the users. I would
also love to see examples of where the change or lack thereof is causing an
On 09/17/2013 11:26 AM, Leon Timmermans wrote:
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Ovid curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com
mailto:curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com wrote:
I'm winding up with astonishingly little bandwidth due to launching
our company, so I was hoping to see a strong consensus from the
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 01:13:26 PM Mark Stosberg wrote:
An attempting-to-be-neutral summary would be very helpful.
Pro of adding -w to test runs:
- that's how Test::Harness has always worked, and people might be
relying
on that behavior
Cons of adding -w to test runs:
On 09/17/2013 01:20 PM, chromatic wrote:
On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 01:13:26 PM Mark Stosberg wrote:
An attempting-to-be-neutral summary would be very helpful.
Pro of adding -w to test runs:
- that's how Test::Harness has always worked, and people might be
relying
on that
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Mark Stosberg m...@summersault.com wrote:
I think a pro/con list is a reasonable request. I've read all the
messages myself, am a regular user of Perl's testing tools, and the
benefits and drawbacks are not clear to me either.
An attempting-to-be-neutral
# from Leon Timmermans on Tuesday 17 September 2013:
odds are no one ... looked at that wikipage ...
IMO, it's the wrong medium.
I agree. Also, Test::Harness is the wrong module for this discussion.
# from chromatic on Tuesday 17 September 2013:
Pro of adding -w to test runs:
- that's
- Original Message -
From: Ricardo Signes perl...@rjbs.manxome.org
* Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com [2013-07-04T14:04:21]
By what process? Define consensus? Given Andy is the official
maintainer and Ovid is the effective maintainer, I don't think they
need our consensus a
bandwidth to ensure I'm not a blocker.
wiki page created:
https://github.com/Perl-Toolchain-Gang/Test-Harness/wiki/TAP::Harness-and--the-w-flag
. If this is too much, I should turn over maintainership to someone
with
more bandwidth to ensure I'm not a blocker.
wiki page created:
https://github.com/Perl-Toolchain-Gang/Test-Harness/wiki/TAP::Harness-and--the-w-flag
Karen,
Thank you for putting that together. It made it much easier for me
On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Ovid curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com wrote:
What toolchain software is being impacted by this and how hard would it be to
make the switch?
AFAIK only ExtUtils::MakeMaker and Module::Build use it. The latter
can already use TAP::Harness, but there are some details we'd
On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Ricardo Signes perl...@rjbs.manxome.org wrote:
I just submitted:
https://github.com/Perl-Toolchain-Gang/Test-Harness/pull/16
...to document two undocumented changes. First, the removal of turn on -w by
default with no easy way to turn it off and secondly
* Leon Timmermans faw...@gmail.com [2013-07-04T14:04:21]
By what process? Define consensus? Given Andy is the official
maintainer and Ovid is the effective maintainer, I don't think they
need our consensus a priori.
06perms.txt says:
Test::Harness,ANDYA,m
Test::Harness,MSCHWERN,c
# from Leon Timmermans on Thursday 04 July 2013:
ewilhelm : We should keep the original change, but update EUMM to
restore -w
I'm not sure that's what he meant.
Yeah no. I said get rid of Test::Harness.
TAP::Harness provides a cleaner interface and this default only exist in
the old crufty
* Eric Wilhelm enoba...@gmail.com [2013-07-04T17:33:45]
# from Leon Timmermans on Thursday 04 July 2013:
ewilhelm : We should keep the original change, but update EUMM to
restore -w
I'm not sure that's what he meant.
Yeah no. I said get rid of Test::Harness.
TAP::Harness provides a
I just submitted:
https://github.com/Perl-Toolchain-Gang/Test-Harness/pull/16
...to document two undocumented changes. First, the removal of turn on -w by
default with no easy way to turn it off and secondly the reversion of that.
These commits are, respectively:
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