Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-17 Thread Vincent Veyron
Le dimanche 13 janvier 2013 à 18:27 +, Shaun Thomas a écrit : I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth between RHEL, CentOS, and

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-16 Thread Stuart Bishop
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:46:58PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: The reasons to NOT use ubuntu under PostgreSQL are primarily that 1: they often choose a pretty meh grade kernel with performance regressions for their initial LTS release. I.e. they'll choose a 3.4.0 kernel over a very stable

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-16 Thread SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:00:56 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences? On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:46:58PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: The reasons to NOT use ubuntu under PostgreSQL are primarily that 1: they often choose a pretty meh grade kernel with performance

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Vincent Veyron
Le lundi 14 janvier 2013 à 16:35 -0600, Shaun Thomas a écrit : My personal server is on Debian too, with a similar uptime. But we recently ran into this guy on our 12.04 Ubuntu systems: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1055222 Ha, so you seem to need to use the X

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Daniel Verite
Vincent Veyron wrote: On Debian/Ubuntu, the default behavior is to have SSL enabled out of the box, including for TCP connections to localhost. It is in Ubuntu, but not in Debian. No, I've seen it a number of times with Debian. pg_createcluster will enable SSL in postgresql.conf

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Vincent Veyron
Le mardi 15 janvier 2013 à 12:54 +0100, Daniel Verite a écrit : Vincent Veyron wrote: On Debian/Ubuntu, the default behavior is to have SSL enabled out of the box, including for TCP connections to localhost. It is in Ubuntu, but not in Debian. No, I've seen it a number of

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Vincent Veyron vv.li...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Le lundi 14 janvier 2013 à 16:35 -0600, Shaun Thomas a écrit : My personal server is on Debian too, with a similar uptime. But we recently ran into this guy on our 12.04 Ubuntu systems:

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Vincent Veyron
Le mardi 15 janvier 2013 à 07:52 -0700, Scott Marlowe a écrit : On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:54 AM, Vincent Veyron vv.li...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Le lundi 14 janvier 2013 à 16:35 -0600, Shaun Thomas a écrit : My personal server is on Debian too, with a similar uptime. But we recently ran into

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:46:58PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: The reasons to NOT use ubuntu under PostgreSQL are primarily that 1: they often choose a pretty meh grade kernel with performance regressions for their initial LTS release. I.e. they'll choose a 3.4.0 kernel over a very stable

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-15 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 08:46:58PM -0700, Scott Marlowe wrote: The reasons to NOT use ubuntu under PostgreSQL are primarily that 1: they often choose a pretty meh grade kernel with performance regressions for their initial

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread Hendrik Visage
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Shaun Thomas stho...@optionshouse.comwrote: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Edson Richter edsonrich...@hotmail.com wrote: Em 14/01/2013 01:46, Scott Marlowe escreveu: My preference personally is for debian based distros since they support the rather more elegant pg wrappers that allow you to run multiple versions and multiple clusters

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread Gavin Flower
On 14/01/13 22:24, Hendrik Visage wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Shaun Thomas stho...@optionshouse.com mailto:stho...@optionshouse.com wrote: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread Daniel Verite
Edson Richter wrote: Do you have any fact that support RHEL being slower than others? I would like to improve our servers if we can get some ideas - so far, we have tried Ubuntu LTS servers, and seems just as fast as RHEL for PostgreSQL (tests made by issuing heavy queries). On

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread Vincent Veyron
Le lundi 14 janvier 2013 à 18:03 +0100, Daniel Verite a écrit : On Debian/Ubuntu, the default behavior is to have SSL enabled out of the box, including for TCP connections to localhost. It is in Ubuntu, but not in Debian. To the OP : I maintain three servers using Debian stable, each facing

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread Shaun Thomas
On 01/14/2013 04:19 PM, Vincent Veyron wrote: The only downtime I had in over two years was due a forced bios upgrade by the hosting service, and I have no formal training in server administration. Debian stable certainly works. My personal server is on Debian too, with a similar uptime. But

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread T. E. Lawrence
Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth between RHEL, CentOS, and Ubuntu LTS, so I was wondering what everyone else

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-14 Thread T. E. Lawrence
On 15.01.2013, at 00:28, Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com wrote: On Tue, 15 Jan 2013, T. E. Lawrence wrote: When forced on Linux we like Debian because it is so conservative (which can sometimes drive one crazy, especially if one needs some cutting edge feature). T. Take a look

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Gavin Flower
On 14/01/13 07:27, Shaun Thomas wrote: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth between RHEL, CentOS, and Ubuntu LTS, so I

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO
, January 13, 2013 11:44:42 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences? On 14/01/13 07:27, Shaun Thomas wrote: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Chris Ernst
On 01/13/2013 03:44 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: I would tend use Fedora for development, but would consider CentOS (or RHEL, if we had the budget) for production - I avoid Ubuntu like the plague. I happen to be doing my own research on this matter. I tend to lean more toward RHEL or CentOS for

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Chris Ernst cer...@zvelo.com wrote: I've seen the opinion of avoid Ubuntu like the plague expressed many times, but it is never followed up with any solid reasoning. Can you (or anyone else) give specific details on exactly why you believe Ubuntu should be

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Steve Atkins
On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Shaun Thomas stho...@optionshouse.com wrote: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Gavin Flower
On 14/01/13 13:07, Chris Ernst wrote: On 01/13/2013 03:44 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: I would tend use Fedora for development, but would consider CentOS (or RHEL, if we had the budget) for production - I avoid Ubuntu like the plague. I happen to be doing my own research on this matter. I tend

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO
Ubuntu did the marketing for linux and many more. Some people are just haters. Can you tell us about upstart? Sent from my LG Mobile Gavin Flower gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz wrote: On 14/01/13 13:07, Chris Ernst wrote: On 01/13/2013 03:44 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: I would tend use Fedora

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Gavin Flower
Please don't top post, add your comments at the end as per the norm for this group. On 14/01/13 12:06, SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO wrote: Ubuntu did the marketing for linux and many more. Some people are just haters. Can you tell us about upstart? Sent from my LG Mobile Gavin Flower

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Adrian Klaver
On 01/13/2013 04:07 PM, Chris Ernst wrote: On 01/13/2013 03:44 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: I've seen the opinion of avoid Ubuntu like the plague expressed many times, but it is never followed up with any solid reasoning. Can you (or anyone else) give specific details on exactly why you believe

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Edson Richter
Em 13/01/2013 16:27, Shaun Thomas escreveu: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth between RHEL, CentOS, and Ubuntu LTS,

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread David Boreham
I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth between RHEL, CentOS, and Ubuntu LTS, so I was wondering what everyone else thought. We run

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM, SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO olut...@sadeeb.com wrote: 4 reasons: 1. One place where I worked Ubuntu was standard, I tried it and found that it lacked at least a couple of desktop features in GNOME 2 that I found very useful into Fedora. Fortunately, I was

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Edson Richter
Em 14/01/2013 01:46, Scott Marlowe escreveu: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM, SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO olut...@sadeeb.com wrote: 4 reasons: 1. One place where I worked Ubuntu was standard, I tried it and found that it lacked at least a couple of desktop features in GNOME 2 that I found

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Gavin Flower
On 14/01/13 16:46, Scott Marlowe wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM, SUNDAY A. OLUTAYO olut...@sadeeb.com wrote: 4 reasons: 1. One place where I worked Ubuntu was standard, I tried it and found that it lacked at least a couple of desktop features in GNOME 2 that I found very

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Scott Marlowe scott.marl...@gmail.com wrote: Most importantly, if you've got LOTS of talent for one distro or another, you're probably best off exploiting it. If 95% of all the developers and ops crew run Ubuntu or Debian, stick to one of them. If they favor

Re: [GENERAL] Linux Distribution Preferences?

2013-01-13 Thread Condor
On 2013-01-14 00:44, Gavin Flower wrote: On 14/01/13 07:27, Shaun Thomas wrote: Hey guys, I'm not sure the last time I saw this discussion, but I was somewhat curious: what would be your ideal Linux distribution for a nice solid PostgreSQL installation? We've kinda bounced back and forth