On 8/4/07, Decibel! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote:
Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
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Great graphics, great package
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote:
Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
...
Great graphics, great package management. However, it is still Linux
and you still
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Decibel! wrote:
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:22:24AM -0400, Kenneth Downs wrote:
Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
...
Great graphics, great
2. Mac OSX is proprietary even down to the hardware. That is enough for
me to not use it. I gave up the whole IBM/SUN/SGI/HP fiasco of closed
door unix and hardware a decade ago.
Wow :) Maybe you need to re-visit Sun gear again, OpenSolaris,
OpenCluster are only but a subset of the unix tools
On 8/5/07, Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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3. Mac OSX is ugly. I know I just made a bunch of people poo in their
leather pants but it is. It is really ugly. I want clean, out of my way,
customizable interface that works the way I work. Not the way the kool
aide drinking fan
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
3. Mac OSX is ugly. I know I just made a bunch of people poo in their
leather pants but it is. It is really ugly. I want clean, out of my way,
customizable interface that works the way I work. Not the way the kool
aide drinking fan boys of apple work.
That being said,
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Bruce McAlister wrote:
2. Mac OSX is proprietary even down to the hardware. That is enough for
me to not use it. I gave up the whole IBM/SUN/SGI/HP fiasco of closed
door unix and hardware a decade ago.
Wow :) Maybe you need to re-visit Sun gear
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
3. Mac OSX is ugly. I know I just made a bunch of people poo in their
leather pants but it is. It is really ugly. I want clean, out of my way,
customizable interface that works the way I work. Not the
On 8/2/07, Andrej Ricnik-Bay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/2/07, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
4735 root 18 0 52524 7204 4304 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.01 httpd
4820 root 15 0 141m 6648 3140 S 0.0
On 8/2/07, Scott Marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think most of the virtual memory used by X is actually the map of the
graphics card's memory AFAIK, so it's not as significant as you think.
That machine has an on-board chipset (i845) and has only 8MB
shared memory allotted to the card
Ron Johnson wrote:
Pardon me for being the contrarian, but why does a server need a
GUI? Isn't that just extra RAM CPU overhead that could be more
profitably put to use powering the application?
What I do is install Gnome, just in case I need it for some reason
(ie: opening many terminal
On 8/2/07, Madison Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I do is install Gnome, just in case I need it for some reason
(ie: opening many terminal windows at a higher res that I can alt+tab
between).
ssh and/or screen ...
Madi
Cheers,
Andrej
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Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
a lightweight window manager is appropriate...a
Gregory Stark wrote:
Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
a lightweight window manager
On 8/2/07, Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Merlin Moncure) writes:
On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pardon me for being the contrarian, but why does a server need a
GUI? Isn't that just extra RAM CPU overhead that could be more
profitably put to use powering the application?
A server with a GUI
On 8/3/07, Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
they do, but experience has shown it is prudent to be able to
administrate the hardware directly from the box.
I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
on a Linux box would require X (to be running)? If I *really*
needed applet
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007, Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
on a Linux box would require X (to be running)? If I *really*
It's not that it can't be done, it's that having a window environment can
make things easier. (I find 24x80 pretty cramped, and I
On 8/3/07, Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
on a Linux box would require X (to be running)? If I *really*
It's not that it can't be done, it's that having a window environment can
make things easier. (I find 24x80 pretty cramped, and I like
On 8/2/07, Andrej Ricnik-Bay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 8/3/07, Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
they do, but experience has shown it is prudent to be able to
administrate the hardware directly from the box.
I'm curious: which aspect of hardware administration
on a Linux box
Chris Browne wrote:
The server does not need the overhead of having *any* of the X
desktop things running; it doesn't even need an X server.
You don't need X running on the server in order use those enterprise
management tools; indeed, in a lights out environment, that server
hasn't even
Paolo, I started with linux 6 years ago after being a confirmed
microsoftie my entire career, this is the experience I can offer:
Ubuntu: What Windows wants to be, what the Mac is w/o the and with
more control. I just replaced a hard drive in a dell machine. A
generic windows CD (the
On 01.08.2007 13:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or others?
Thanks in advance,
Paolo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or others?
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 13:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse or others?
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which
distribution ? Fedora, Ubuntu server, Suse
I'm about to install a new Linux server, and I've followed this thread
with interest, being a tinkerer rather than any sort of expert.
I'm going to try out Debian, which I haven't used before - the server
it's replacing is running an old RedHat - and would be interested in
people's comments.
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Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Reid Thompson
Inviato: mercoledì 1 agosto 2007 15.15
A: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Oggetto: Re: [GENERAL] Linux distro
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 13:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On 8/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora,
On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
/Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
It's not quite as 'hardcore' as Gentoo (a great distro, but not one to
start with!). It's the foundation of many of the popular distros
(Ubuntu, Mepis, Knoppix, etc) and the Debian crew is very
At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
/Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
It's not quite as 'hardcore' as Gentoo (a great distro, but not one to
start with!). It's the foundation of many of the popular distros
(Ubuntu,
Raymond O'Donnell wrote:
I'm about to install a new Linux server, and I've followed this thread
with interest, being a tinkerer rather than any sort of expert.
I'm going to try out Debian, which I haven't used before - the server
it's replacing is running an old RedHat - and would be
I just moved one of my desktops and my laptop from Fedora 6 to Unbuntu
7.04 because Fedora lacked hardware support that Unbuntu and my Fedora
machines had all sorts of problems like sound dropping out and machines
locking up. (Also the Fedora installers are terrible).
My small gripes about
charlie derr napisal 2007-08-01 17:37:
I would include the following as legitimate reasons to want to
build from source:
2. You need features from a newer version than is available in Debian.
Martin Pitt - Debian's PostgreSQL package maintainer makes a great job.
You won't wait too
Joseph S [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My small gripes about Ubuntu are:
1) rpm, for all its faults, is still better than using apt
You *must* be joking. In Debian and Ubuntu, I've never had a tenth of
the dependency hell that you regularly hit with RPMs (though yum has
improved things
On 8/1/07, Douglas McNaught [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joseph S [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My small gripes about Ubuntu are:
1) rpm, for all its faults, is still better than using apt
You *must* be joking. In Debian and Ubuntu, I've never had a tenth of
the dependency hell that you
Joseph S wrote:
I just moved one of my desktops and my laptop from Fedora 6 to Unbuntu
7.04 because Fedora lacked hardware support that Unbuntu and my Fedora
machines had all sorts of problems like sound dropping out and machines
locking up. (Also the Fedora installers are terrible).
My
Brian Mathis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Please don't start this. These issues are exactly why one should be
looking at an ENTERPRISE OS for a server. Fedora, ubuntu, etc... are
not enterprise OSes, and any discussion of such issues are certainly
off-topic for this mailing list. An
On Wed, 1 Aug 2007, Joseph S wrote:
My small gripes about Ubuntu are:
1) rpm, for all its faults, is still better than using apt
This is drfiting off-topic for this list, but this statement is so odd I
can't let it go unchallenged. You must have some odd criteria for
better or run into
On 8/2/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it's a dedicated production server, look at UBUNTU 6.10 server.
If you're planning to connect a monitor and run X-windows ( i.e. I
bought a server, but i'm going to use it as a learning platform for
LINUX in general also), i'd suggest
On 8/2/07, Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrej,
Richard,
How quickly people forget about the quiet distribution: Slackware. Ideal
for servers, and great on desktops and portables, too, for those who know
what they're doing.
Slackware is my preferred distro by a long stretch, I've
On 8/1/07, Madison Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Joseph S wrote:
I just moved one of my desktops and my laptop from Fedora 6 to Unbuntu
7.04 because Fedora lacked hardware support that Unbuntu and my Fedora
machines had all sorts of problems like sound dropping out and machines
locking
On 06:30 Thu 02 Aug , Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
On 8/2/07, Rich Shepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Andrej,
Richard,
How quickly people forget about the quiet distribution: Slackware. Ideal
for servers, and great on desktops and portables, too, for those who know
what they're
On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 13:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
?
On 8/2/07, John K Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love Slackware but have eventually gone back to running my servers on
Debian stable. Most of the Debian derivatives base on unstable to get
the latest version of things but stable is rock solid and will never let
you down. The advantage of
On 09:15 Thu 02 Aug , Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
On 8/2/07, John K Masters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love Slackware but have eventually gone back to running my servers on
Debian stable. Most of the Debian derivatives base on unstable to get
the latest version of things but stable is
Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
On 8/2/07, Reid Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it's a dedicated production server, look at UBUNTU 6.10 server.
If you're planning to connect a monitor and run X-windows ( i.e. I
bought a server, but i'm going to use it as a learning platform for
LINUX in
On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an alternative viewpoint, I've been running the latest postgres on
Mac OS X Server 10.4, and it's been great for me. It was my first time
using a server, and my first serious use of postgres (although I have
had a lot of previous unix
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On 08/01/07 10:37, Owen Hartnett wrote:
At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
/Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
It's not quite as 'hardcore' as Gentoo (a great distro,
On 8/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I bought a Dell server and I am going to use it for installing PostgrSQL
8.2.4. I always used Windows so far and I would like now to install a
Linux distribution on the new server. Any suggestion on which distribution
? Fedora,
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On 08/01/07 21:44, Andrej Ricnik-Bay wrote:
On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As an alternative viewpoint, I've been running the latest postgres on
Mac OS X Server 10.4, and it's been great for me. It was my first time
using a
On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 08/01/07 10:37, Owen Hartnett wrote:
At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
On Wednesday 1. August 2007 16:15, Madison Kelly wrote:
/Personally/, I love Debian on servers.
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On 08/01/07 21:58, Merlin Moncure wrote:
[snip]
3. binary packaging
While I like the debian distros generally, I dislike the debian
packaging of PostgreSQL. IMO, it's over engineered. If you plan to
How so?
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Jefferson LA
On 8/2/07, Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
a lightweight window manager is
Andrej Ricnik-Bay escribió:
On 8/2/07, Merlin Moncure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A server with a GUI sitting on a login screen is wasting zero
resources. Some enterprise management tools are in java which require
a GUI to use so there is very little downside to installing X, so IMO
a
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On 08/01/07 22:05, Merlin Moncure wrote:
On 8/2/07, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 08/01/07 10:37, Owen Hartnett wrote:
At 4:52 PM +0200 8/1/07, Leif B. Kristensen wrote:
On Wednesday 1.
On 8/2/07, Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
4735 root 18 0 52524 7204 4304 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.01 httpd
4820 root 15 0 141m 6648 3140 S 0.0 0.4 0:00.64 X
I think most of the virtual memory used
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