Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 10/08/2011 10:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: s This is IMHO more than necessary for Fuel to become a production ready serializer and I'd say Fuel is now old enough to become such :) Yes. Now what I would love is that even if fuel changes that the evolution of information is

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium News: let's make it real.

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: - We are wondering if we could have a academic fee for the institution that want it: we have to discuss the fee. Any suggestions would be good: I was thinking that 500 Euros would be good for rich countries and 200 for

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 10/10/2011 09:47 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Is there / planning a socket.io (server) support in Pharo? I am making suite of client-server application where I strongly consider socket.io as the communication layer; there is no problem with clients, but at the server-side, socket.io seems only

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I think that somebody (probably not the fuel team which is full right now) should use a jSON or other formats to externatlise data out of fuel and this version should be use for old mgration. The point of evolution is important because we should be able to load old code in the future. Now let

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Mariano I think that evolution and migration is key if we want to use fuel for loading code. This is why in MCZ you have always the source files. In case of trouble. It is important to use the current situation as case for evolution. I like the idea of igor of having class that represent

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi igor I imagine that if the server is not run headless then the screen will be filled up with debuggers and people can try if they succeed to connect to the image using a remote tools. Even if I prefer a real headless mode, is my sentence correct? Stef On Oct 11, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Igor

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 10 Oct 2011, at 22:19, John Toohey wrote: I've had a problem since 1.0 with socket timeouts throwing exceptions and invoking the debugger in my headless images. I don't know why a socket timeout is considered exceptional A server should never 'leak' timeout exceptions. A timeout is very

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium News: let's make it real.

2011-10-11 Thread Alexandre Bergel
but you can buy software? So you should be able to pay a license. We will work out of that. Only if I get some funding. And it will not be every year. Alexandre - We could also have way to pay a license or a way to give money to the consortium. +1 Alexandre Now the

[Pharo-project] Looking for Gjallar

2011-10-11 Thread Edgar J. De Cleene
Folks Navigating from http://swiki.krampe.se/gjallar seems the project is non working No downloads No lists Any help ? Edgar

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Herby Vojčík
Philippe Marschall-2 wrote: On 10/10/2011 09:47 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Is there / planning a socket.io (server) support in Pharo? I am making suite of client-server application where I strongly consider socket.io as the communication layer; there is no problem with clients, but at the

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
hi herby what is specific with socket server? Stef On 10/10/2011 09:47 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Is there / planning a socket.io (server) support in Pharo? I am making suite of client-server application where I strongly consider socket.io as the communication layer; there is no problem with

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 11.10.2011 01:00, John Toohey wrote: Henrik, Could you explain this in a little more detail for me? Are you saying the socket timeout is really a semaphore problem? Yes, in that Sockets block on Semaphores registered in the vm, which are then signalled from the external plugin. The number

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 11.10.2011 14:17, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: On 11.10.2011 01:00, John Toohey wrote: Henrik, Could you explain this in a little more detail for me? Are you saying the socket timeout is really a semaphore problem? Yes, in that Sockets block on Semaphores registered in the vm, which are

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 11 October 2011 09:15, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi igor I imagine that if the server is not run headless then the screen will be filled up with debuggers and people can try if they succeed to connect to the image using a remote tools. Even if I prefer a real

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Philippe Marschall
On 10/11/2011 01:59 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Philippe Marschall-2 wrote: On 10/10/2011 09:47 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Is there / planning a socket.io (server) support in Pharo? I am making suite of client-server application where I strongly consider socket.io as the communication layer;

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 11 October 2011 13:59, Herby Vojčík he...@mailbox.sk wrote: Philippe Marschall-2 wrote: On 10/10/2011 09:47 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Is there / planning a socket.io (server) support in Pharo? I am making suite of client-server application where I strongly consider socket.io as the

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I just wanted to know if I was correct else I agree with you ;D On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 11 October 2011 09:15, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi igor I imagine that if the server is not run headless then the screen will be filled up with

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Migrating Complex in a separate package

2011-10-11 Thread David T. Lewis
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 08:28:40PM +0200, Nicolas Cellier wrote: Hi, Facts: - Complex is present in Squeak trunk image but not used in Kernel - Complex is absent from Pharo image. This breaks portability of some packages. I suggest putting Complex in its own package in squeaksource. This

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Herby Vojčík
Stéphane Ducasse wrote: hi herby what is specific with socket server? Stef It's socket.io (.io is important), a js library that abstracts server-push technologies into high-level API. What is specific to socket.io server is, well, to able to connect socket.io clients. And having an

Re: [Pharo-project] socket.io

2011-10-11 Thread Herby Vojčík
Philippe Marschall-2 wrote: On 10/11/2011 01:59 PM, Herby Vojčík wrote: Without async IO supporting WebSockets does not seem to make much sense. Cheers Philippe I do not understand the rationale... async IO (more correctly, as Ryan Dahl often points, is non-blocking IO, there is

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14190

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
14190 - update UpdateStreamer to use new version of Zn

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14191

2011-10-11 Thread stephane ducasse
14191 - Issue 4904:MorphTreeMorph improvements. Thanks Alain Plantec. - Speed improvement: 10 to 12 times faster ! the speed is now very near from what is possible with PluggableListMorph. the TimeProfiler is now very efficient. - made MorphTreeModel composable (see

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14191

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Apparently this fixes has a problem so we will have to investigate and I will rollback as soon as I have access to a decent network. (I hope around 10 pm). On Oct 11, 2011, at 3:34 PM, stephane ducasse wrote: 14191 - Issue 4904: MorphTreeMorph improvements. Thanks Alain Plantec.

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread John Toohey
Thats for this explanation. I can't find the #inProduction method, what class is it in? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 08:17, Henrik Sperre Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: On 11.10.2011 01:00, John Toohey wrote: Henrik, Could you explain this in a little more detail for me? Are you

Re: [Pharo-project] Socket timeout terminates COG VM

2011-10-11 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 11.10.2011 16:03, John Toohey wrote: Thats for this explanation. I can't find the #inProduction method, what class is it in? It's a temporary variable in #maxExternalSemaphores for the moment, as no such global switch exist yet. I'd recommend setting the limit higher and save / run the image

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] new Cog VM available at...

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:25 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2499/. CogVM binaries as per VMMaker.oscog-eem.133/r2499. Tiny performance tweak to bytecodePrimMultiply. Added findStringBeginningWith: debugging facility. Fix yet

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14191

2011-10-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I rollbacked this fix for now and we are working with alain to find a solution. Stef On Oct 11, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: Apparently this fixes has a problem so we will have to investigate and I will rollback as soon as I have access to a decent network. (I hope around 10

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Any serializer can customize serialization strategy?

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Hernán Morales Durand hernan.mora...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Mariano, That's pretty much what I want, but... why to expose the visitor interface? ;) Good question. Honesty, it was the only way we have found to do it with Fuel. I think (but I am not sure)

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com wrote: On 10/10/11 2:43 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Yanni Chiu ya...@rogers.com For the case where a lot of serialized files need to be converted, having two versions in memory is

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 October 2011 00:57, Stefan Marr ph...@stefan-marr.de wrote: On 10 Oct 2011, at 23:25, Igor Stasenko wrote: On 11 October 2011 00:19, Schwab,Wilhelm K bsch...@anest.ufl.edu wrote: True, but what about

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Philippe Marschall philippe.marsch...@netcetera.ch wrote: On 10/08/2011 10:42 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: s This is IMHO more than necessary for Fuel to become a production ready serializer and I'd say Fuel is now old enough to become such :)

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Mariano I think that evolution and migration is key if we want to use fuel for loading code. This is why in MCZ you have always the source files. In case of trouble. Exactly! and even more, you NEED the

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: CogDroid Status Update

2011-10-11 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Congratulations! continue with your work :) On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks a lot Dimitry. What you are doing is great! Stef On Oct 10, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Dimitry Golubovsky wrote: Hi, I would like to update the Squeak/Pharo

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Migrating Complex in a separate package

2011-10-11 Thread Chris Muller
- the name of the class can be Complex or ComplexNumber Specifically I don't like isComplex, many objects could respond true because complicated; isComplexNumber is much more explicit. We could also think of having complex expressions in a symbolic algebra, and isComplexNumber would be true

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Migrating Complex in a separate package

2011-10-11 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Thanks all for your answers. Too many words for a single post, so I compiled a few comments and Complex implementation reflections in this blog entry: http://smallissimo.blogspot.com/2011/10/about-complex-in-squeak.html I'm not satisfied with current status because we are mixing two paradigms.

Re: [Pharo-project] When will Fuel file format stabilize?

2011-10-11 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 11 October 2011 22:52, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Mariano I think that evolution and migration is key if we want to use fuel for loading code. This is why in MCZ you have always

[Pharo-project] browser and non existent method

2011-10-11 Thread sergio_101
hi, all.. i am starting a relatively big project for fun, and am using pharo/seaside after being away for awhile.. the last time i used this combo, i remember that if you called a non existent method in the browser, a confirmation would pop up, and if you confirmed that you indeed wanted to use

Re: [Pharo-project] browser and non existent method

2011-10-11 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 12 Oct 2011, at 04:54, sergio_101 wrote: the last time i used this combo, i remember that if you called a non existent method in the browser, a confirmation would pop up, and if you confirmed that you indeed wanted to use that non existent method, it would bring up a code browser on that