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> Quoting Igor Stasenko :
>
> >
> > i just wonder, what takes so much CPU time, even if it completely
> idle...
> >
> >
> > 4831- NBCog4.8
> > 51519- NBCog3.5
> >
> > if i kill a UI process, the load goes down to 2.5-3 % ...
> > still too much.
On 7/4/2011 9:15, Marcus Denker wrote:
On Jul 4, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Damien Cassou wrote:
On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
wrote:
FS uses SecurityManager as a fix point to identify home.
Now we do not have Security manager so I'm wondering if we should not remove
home/documen
On 5/17/2011 22:24, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
Hi,
I would like to announce Zodiac, the project created in response to
http://forum.world.st/WebClient-for-1-2-2-tt3485946.html#a3503921
according to the plan described in
http://forum.world.st/SSL-HTTPS-SecureSocketStream-SSL
On 12/15/2010 9:21 AM, Chris Muller wrote:
One question that came to my mind last night: What does> 1000 lines
of Gofer code bring to Monticello-loading that I can't already do with
just Monticello? or with a couple of facade methods added to plain
MC?
I spent the evening yesterday to look a
On 12/15/2010 6:27 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote:
What if someone:
1. adds to Gofer loading from SqueakMap and other
2. then Lukas is kindly asked to rename it to the Installer.
That way we will have a maintained installer with a meaningful name and
everyone will be happy. Because we really need o
On 10/6/2010 6:58 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Hello,
just wanna ask, is this part of API will be deprecated in future?
(in Pharo, it put under 'to clean later' category).
And if yes, then what will be correct (dialect-agnostic) way to access globals?
Smalltalk globals at: #Foo ?
I thought that #
On 9/9/2010 1:15 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote:
On Sep 9, 2010, at 4:27 50AM, Andreas Raab wrote:
Phillipe wrote:
Did you change your position towards #squeakToUtf8 and string
concatenation (I didn't follow the entire previous thread)?
Implicitly yes, but let's discuss this. You
On 9/9/2010 3:34 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
For string concatenation on the other hand, we're basically talking about dispersing a
whole load of FUD about all the things that "may" go wrong. Fact is, nothing
actually *does* go wrong with the change, but the change does fix situations that are
Phillipe wrote:
> Did you change your position towards #squeakToUtf8 and string
> concatenation (I didn't follow the entire previous thread)?
Implicitly yes, but let's discuss this. You're saying you want WebClient
"without overrides" but is this really what you mean? The only reason
these meth
Hi -
After careful consideration I've decided to put WebClient under the MIT
license, and updated the repository at
http://www.squeaksource.com/WebClient.html to reflect the license change.
If you're curious why I'm making the change, the answer is really that
the code isn't all that unique
There is indeed a hard limit of 512MB in the Windows VM currently in
effect, which is the result of debugging some extremely strange effects
when loading DLLs. What we found was that on some systems, under some
circumstances (related to memory load etc) DLLs would not be loaded if
we'd reserve
On 9/2/2010 11:30 AM, John M McIntosh wrote:
I think if you hunt in the archives you'll find people have attempted to
replace Morphic with Open/GL calls via FFI
Oh like http://www.squeaksource.com/AlienOpenGL
Or http://www.squeaksource.com/CroquetGL (much more complete w/
extensions etc). So
e to look into these problems and for the
patches.
Shouldn't we try to capture these problems with unit tests running across
Squeak and its derivatives ?
What would be the procedure to contribute to these tests ?
Sven
On 01 Sep 2010, at 06:16, Andreas Raab wrote:
Hi Sven -
I had a quick
ore the positive effect that Pharo had since then. For me and many
others, Pharo definitively has its place, along many other viable Smalltalk
implementations.
Regards,
Sven
On 30 Aug 2010, at 00:00, Andreas Raab wrote:
Hi Sven,
[cc: pharo list since I think there are some larger issues to
ee for your use (commercial
or otherwise). The point isn't to keep people from trying things out,
the point is to bring development to a point where I'm happy to release
it in the chosen form to the general public.
Cheers,
- Andreas
On 30 Aug 2010, at 00:00, Andreas Raab wrote:
As you ca
Hi -
Thanks everyone for the reasoned and civil responses. It is good to see
that we can have a disagreement without getting overly personal.
Unfortunately, it seems that I'm effectively offered a no-win
alternative here; I do not see how any of the discussed alternatives
would help me achiev
harder). You can check the Pharo mailing lists.
As I said before, it is your code and your decision what your standpoint is
regarding portability (to Squeak derivatives and even other Smalltalks). I can
understand it if you find it too much work. But I do think you should make it
clear what your
On 8/4/2010 9:57 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi Adrei, excellent :)
BTW, for HTTP Client you should cc Andreas Raab or squeak mailing list
Squeak-dev please
(http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/squeak-dev).
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Andrei Stebakov
On 6/20/2010 2:23 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
Thank you Eliot.
This is wonderful, it feels like I just got a new laptop :-)
I noticed some problems in the continuation tests of Seaside
(WAContinuationTest, WAFlowPlatformTest and
WAPartialContinuationTest):
"Computation has been terminated" i
On 6/20/2010 2:42 PM, Rob Rothwell wrote:
For the binary-challenged, I am sure some kind soul will post compiled
versions somewhere...!
For Windows, get yours here:
http://squeakvm.org/win32/experimental/CogSqueak4.1.zip
Cheers,
- Andreas
(I ALWAYS struggle with build.bat, missing fil
Hi Chris -
Let me comment on this from a more general point of view first, before
going into the specifics. I've spent the last five years building a
distributed system and during this time I've learned a couple of things
about the value of timeouts :-) One thing that I've come to understand
Hi Germán -
Sorry I missed this discussion earlier. First of all, looking at the
page should give you all the information you need to derive the basic
parameters for the html form submission (see [1]). The "action"
attribute of the form tag will tell you the URL for the request; the
"method"
On 5/20/2010 1:11 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
I want to get this info into the help system and/or collaborative book, as
similar questions pop up regularly on the lists.
Hi Sean,
Here is the compiled book - see the attached MCZ. Just file it in.
If you continue with it it would be good to uplo
On 5/20/2010 2:47 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Then we can make an easy transition
1. add this pool to classes which using that global& recompile them
2. for classes, which should have no dependency from Morphic,
use a messages like
Object>> currentWorld
^ (Smalltalk at: #MorphicPool ifAbsent
On 5/17/2010 6:26 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Hello,
C world using bitor-s extensively for passing various flags and options.
And porting the code looks really awful with #bitOr: , because it
requires braces when you combining more than 2 flags.
Can we , please , please, include #| as an alternati
Hi Torsten -
Thanks for the thoughtful response. It'll take a little to respond to
the points individually, so apologies for the length of the response.
First of all, nothing is "decided" yet. I've made a proposal, people
appear to like it, so we can start a phase of experimentation. If the
On 5/10/2010 10:06 AM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
+1
I'll have to admit I find this quite awkward - like designing a
framework that has only one use case. It tends to push the wrong things
into the abstraction layer. Is there anything fundamentally wrong with
creating the baseline only at the poin
On 5/6/2010 5:26 PM, Dale Henrichs wrote:
I don't think I've completely answered your questions so we might want to
continue the dialog on this question
We're getting close :-) Let me take my own questions and answer them in
my own words to see if I understand the issues correctly:
Q1:
On 5/5/2010 11:36 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
Just have a look at ConfigurationOfSQLite3 for a simple
example. This one has a "project dependency" on ConfigurationOfFFI.
If you want Help system project to be loaded in your configurartion
you need to define it in the baselineXXX method and set
Hi -
I've been trying to wet my feet with Metacello a little by writing a
ConfigurationOfWebClient and in the process I've come across various
things that I don't understand or don't know how to express. The
configuration itself can be found here:
http://www.squeaksource.com/Metacell
Hi -
Over the weekend I realized an interesting difference in the utilization
of the builder pattern. It is related with how to create and interact
with new entities created by the builder, and goes like this:
Form a: In this form (which is utilized by ToolBuilder) a request for a
new item c
On 4/30/2010 2:58 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Andreas Raab mailto:andreas.r...@gmx.de>> wrote:
On 4/30/2010 5:11 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
The ideal would be: if I have defined a image in the file, to be
allowed
t
On 4/30/2010 5:11 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
The ideal would be: if I have defined a image in the file, to be allowed
to drag another one. Of course, the one I drag should be used and set as
systemAttribute 1.
Do you know how can I do that? is this fixable ?
I don't understand what you'r
On 4/29/2010 3:21 AM, Alain Plantec wrote:
Andreas Raab a écrit :
On 4/28/2010 11:32 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Good but what is your point?
Compatibility and simplicity.
Come on Andreas, "simple" is not so much more precise than "cool"
That comment deserves a more
On 4/29/2010 6:22 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
and then I call it like this for example:
oop := self firstAccessibleObject.
[oop = nil] whileFalse: [
(self isIntegerObject: oop)
ifFalse: [
size := self internalByteSize: oop.
..]
On 4/28/2010 11:32 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
Good but what is your point?
Compatibility and simplicity.
That Setting is a cool framework. We knew it already :)
That's where you're confused. You keep talking about "cool" and I keep
talking about "simple". These two are not the same yet yo
On 4/28/2010 2:44 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote:
My point was rather the pragmas in Squeak are more closely coupled with
the point it is actually defined, in that you defined the pragma itself
in the accessor method for the variable, rather than having 1-N
declarations in a single method, poin
On 4/28/2010 11:00 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:
Hi folks. Sorry for the cross post this time, but I guess it is worth.
In Pharo we were trying to get a way to know the amount of memory
(bytes) that an objects is occupying in RAM memory.
For such purpose, Adrian posposed the following method
Hi -
Here are the changes between the latest ToolBuilder from
http://www.squeaksource.com/ToolBuilder vs. Pharo 1.0 (again there are
additional but fairly minor edits involved):
Package ToolBuilder-Kernel
--
- ToolBuilderTests
Removed.
- UIManager
* fontFromUser:
Hi -
As a first step for merging, here are the changes that are in Squeak 4.1
relative to the latest versions in the repository at
http://www.squeaksource.com/ToolBuilder. The following is a pretty much
complete set of changes that happened since (there are a few more minor
edits but they're
On 4/22/2010 1:21 AM, Henrik Johansen wrote:
ToolBuilder is one of the projects I believe deserve to stay fork-agnostic.
Exactly how we should go about coordinating so they stay in synch I'm
interested in hearing :)
That's not so difficult. Let's start by just merging the code bases, and
see
On 4/21/2010 4:32 AM, Hannes Hirzel wrote:
A question: Art the ToolBuilder in Squeak 4.1 and Pharo 1.0 the same?
Or if there is a difference what is the impact of it?
Or put the question in another way. If I code an UI using the
ToolBuilder in Squeak 4.1 will it run in Pharo?
They are mostly t
On 4/20/2010 3:37 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 21.04.2010, at 00:09, Eliot Miranda wrote:
Hi All,
2010/4/20 John M McIntosh
Well I asked for it...
(a) you can get graphic cut/copy/paste of complex data on the macintosh and
windows.
Linux too. Etoys on the OLPC does images and rich text
Hi Torsten -
Thanks for cc-ing vm-dev; I wouldn't have seen this post otherwise. I've
actually looked at the code since and there's some good news here: It
appears that there's no actual modification of the Windows support code
necessary to use Alien. The only difference is a flag in sqWin32Wi
Whoops. Accidentally sent to the wrong list :-)
- A.
Original Message
Subject: Re: Handle Close Event in Image - necessary for 1.0?
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:56:59 -0700
From: Andreas Raab
To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list
Hi -
Just as a reminder when you
On 4/15/2010 11:50 AM, Juan Vuletich wrote:
Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from
On 4/8/2010 2:43 PM, Sean Malloy wrote:
Anyone have any thoughts on this change to the agreement?
Just in case anyone had any illusions on this:
http://computinged.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/apple-removes-scratch-from-ipadiphoneitouch/
Cheers,
- Andreas
_
On 4/13/2010 8:42 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 14 April 2010 06:22, Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/13/2010 8:10 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
i just submitted a code, which could help us greatly in having
up-to-date and full OpenGL API coverage in Squeak.
This package extracts data directly from spec
On 4/13/2010 8:10 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
i just submitted a code, which could help us greatly in having
up-to-date and full OpenGL API coverage in Squeak.
This package extracts data directly from spec files, used by OpenGL
folks for generating C headers (gl.h / glext.h etc).
Sweet! I had no
On 4/12/2010 12:49 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Okay, then i propose to:
1. fix the interpreterProxy spec, so all VMs will include addRoot()& friends
2. create a single and _final_ version of #recreateSpecialObjectsArray
3. remove overrides of this method from both FFI and Alien packages.
4. Option
On 4/12/2010 11:46 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
Ah, that's cool.. Except that most recent SVN repository
sqVirtualMachine.h (revision 1955) having no addGCroot: defined in
InterpreterProxy struct.
I am using wrong SVN repository?
http://squeakvm.org/svn/squeak/trunk/
Err, weird. The code is in VMMa
On 4/12/2010 10:57 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 12 April 2010 20:49, Andreas Raab wrote:
Today, you can give your plugin an array of your own special objects that is
used by your plugin, registered with the VM as a GC root and there's no need
to modify splObjs.
Looks like i missed some
On 4/12/2010 10:43 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
On 12 April 2010 19:32, Andreas Raab wrote:
On 4/12/2010 7:17 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote:
what you think?
I think "no, no, no". Two reasons: 1) the extension of the splObjs implies a
hardcoded contract with the VM; having it externall
oject-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Andreas Raab
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On 4/3/2010 6:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
And
On 4/3/2010 6:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
Andreas, John, anybody,
I need to find the address of a "function" (it is in fact a global structure
pointer somewhere in memory) and pass it to another function.
Suppose the structure is called Type and the function allocate_one(). I call
the fun
h+a+bCvCPl5/gczwtlbp...@public.gmane.org
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I would suggest that you only register a finalizer for objects where you
*do* have responsibility to reclaim them. There are no implicit
finalizers registered for any subclasses of ExternalObject by default -
the only thing that happens is that all handles are cleared when the
image is restarte
On 4/1/2010 1:06 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
So then I was wrong with this analysis... but on the big picture, it is true.
And you know it.
It was. In the past. But I don't live in the past. I live in the
present. And in the present, Squeak has moved on. We're past that. We
have a great system,
On 4/1/2010 12:12 AM, Marcus Denker wrote:
On Apr 1, 2010, at 12:00 AM, Niko Schwarz wrote:
Hi, I just bumped into this. Probably this is intended somehow, but it
does seem weird enough to ask …
(Object>> #hash) asString class
returns 'Text'.
I think this is historical. Methods *use
On 3/30/2010 1:08 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
I don't understand why we couldn't add a non-GCC compiled VM on the website.
The VM will still be compilable with GCC, e.g., for Linux distros. Heck, we
could even add both a GCC and a non-GCC compiled VM on the website and
everybody can decide whic
On 3/20/2010 4:43 PM, Michael Rueger wrote:
On 3/20/10 4:35 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
So why does everyone ignore TeaTime? I admit I don't understand the
internals, but it obviously *looks* like it could be the basis of
Nebraska (or any other P2P solution).
Can you point me to a real good publi
Hi Stef -
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad that we all seem to be ready to
leave the past behind us and move on into the future. I fully understand
(and appreciate) your decision to fork Pharo and I have most definitely
no objections to its direction and goals.
Talking about goals, I
tenated vs. replaced with each crash.
Thanks!!
Bill
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tenated vs. replaced with each crash.
Thanks!!
Bill
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:32 AM
To: Pharo Development
Subject: Re: [Pharo-p
Hi Bill -
If you have problems like these consider cross-posting to squeak-dev or
vm-dev. I only check Pharo in irregular intervals.
On 3/8/2010 4:27 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote:
I am having a sudden problem with Pharo crashing on Windows - it's quitting on
handling Seaside requests, and I'm
On 3/4/2010 12:03 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> I like plan B.
> at the end I would like to have. Marcus came back from germany and we will
> discuss.
>
> Smalltalk -> sole instance of System (aka SmalltalkImage)
>
> SystemDictionary -> renamed into Namespace
> and it accessibl
On 3/3/2010 3:30 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
> For now, plan A has more votes than plan B.
> plan A: move all SmalltalkImage methods back into SystemDictionary in trunk.
> Let SmalltalkImage current ^Smalltalk for crossfork compatibility
> plan B: Smalltalk class = SmalltalkImage, Small
Folks -
After long hesitation I've decided to subscribe to the Pharo list. I'm
doing this mostly to put perspective on some issues that have come up
here and where I feel I have a unique perspective on them. If you
haven't guessed, I've been called many unfriendly names here, most
recently "th
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