Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-15 Thread H. Hirzel
On 2/11/12, Janko Mivšek janko.miv...@eranova.si wrote: Hi guys, Again one interesting topic for this weekend to discuss. David Nolen, a Lisp and JavaScript guy posted in his blog an article titled Illiterate Programming [1] where he said: ...Yet I think Smalltalk still fundamentally failed

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Lawrence Kellogg
Do you recall a talk Alan gave some years back at Stanford? He was on a good rant about how our computer science/engineering departments had let themselves be turned into Java certification mills, and ultimately uttered the words what has happened to the mighty Standford? I was a little

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-14 Thread Gary Chambers
Thankfully I did Smalltalk (V/DOS) at university, not looked back since... Regards, Gary - Original Message - From: Lawrence Kellogg To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-11 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
Well... functional programming is hard and not everybody really understands it... structured programming is hard and not everybody really understood it... hmm at the end, programming is hard :-) He gives no reason about his stament nor demonstration of it neither... so he has a feeling, me too

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
[hernan.wilkin...@10pines.com] Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:42 AM To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Cc: VWNC; va-smallt...@googlegroups.com; GNU Smalltalk; Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard? Well... functional

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-11 Thread Hernan Wilkinson
...@googlegroups.com; GNU Smalltalk; Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard? Well... functional programming is hard and not everybody really understands it... structured programming is hard and not everybody really understood

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-11 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard? Well... functional programming is hard and not everybody really understands it... structured programming is hard and not everybody really understood it... hmm at the end, programming is hard :-) He gives no reason about his stament nor

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard?

2012-02-11 Thread Schwab,Wilhelm K
@lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Are Objects really hard? Janko Frankly I do not care about what other people are thinking. OOP is a success look at Java, C#. Now let us keep our energy to build better Smalltalks. Stef On Feb 11, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Hernan Wilkinson wrote: I