Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Actually, Edison released new Blue Amberol recordings from 1912-1913 with flat rims, not just wax Amberol masters. The beveled Blue Amberols came out in October 1913 (to the best of my searching ability), and Edison continued reissuing wax Amberol masters with beveled rims into the late 1920s. -Ryan On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@verizon.net wrote: It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL -B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
You are quite correct, Charlie. The degradation in sound is from the dubbing. Ron. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of charles smith Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 12:07 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Hi Ron: My two cents. Some of the beveled ended BA's sound just as good as the flat tops.Namely all of them up to about 2470 which are still live. There were also some live recordings released sporadically from when dubbing took over until 1928. One Special recording ( the Peerless Minstrels one,I think it's Special H) was re released around 1927 as An old time minstrel show! I always enjoy the posts! Best,Charlie. -- On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 2:02 PM PST Ron L'Herault wrote: It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Hi Ron: Dubs are weird! I have some that are as loud and clear as live recordings but most aren't! -- On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 6:39 AM PST Ron L'Herault wrote: You are quite correct, Charlie. The degradation in sound is from the dubbing. Ron. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of charles smith Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 12:07 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Hi Ron: My two cents. Some of the beveled ended BA's sound just as good as the flat tops.Namely all of them up to about 2470 which are still live. There were also some live recordings released sporadically from when dubbing took over until 1928. One Special recording ( the Peerless Minstrels one,I think it's Special H) was re released around 1927 as An old time minstrel show! I always enjoy the posts! Best,Charlie. -- On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 2:02 PM PST Ron L'Herault wrote: It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL-B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL -B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Should read that the flat top ones sound better than the bevel top BAs. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 5:02 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL -B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Don't forget the Special Blue box series continued on with the Hebrew series. I think 10 more picking up at L . I think we have letter O S in wax. I hear this was for a specialty market promotion. There must have not been many made. I have not heard of any others than these two, but there must be more out there. Anybody? -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:35 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Aren't the 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records you speak of the orange boxed ones? There were only 10 of the blue boxed and they had Special A, etc numbers. === Peter Fraser wrote: Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg === == Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIA L-B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Hi Ron: My two cents. Some of the beveled ended BA's sound just as good as the flat tops.Namely all of them up to about 2470 which are still live. There were also some live recordings released sporadically from when dubbing took over until 1928. One Special recording ( the Peerless Minstrels one,I think it's Special H) was re released around 1927 as An old time minstrel show! I always enjoy the posts! Best,Charlie. -- On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 2:02 PM PST Ron L'Herault wrote: It's my understanding that a flat top Blue Amberol was pressed from a black Amberol master. They generally sound better bevel top ones. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Peter Fraser Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 4:33 PM To: ronald dethlefson; phono-l List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg = Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My reference books are too low in the pile to check. Mike Biel mb...@mbiel.com Original Message Subject: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? From: Clifford Bolling 78reco...@cdbpdx.com Date: Thu, November 07, 2013 9:06 pm To: 78-l Online 7...@78online.com I'm recording some Blue Amberol cylinders I got from a 2nd hand store in La Grande, OR and one of them does not have a catalog number, instead it says 'SPECIAL B.' The title is FATHER'S ECCENTRICITIES by HILL What is a SPECIAL B.? http://pdx78s.cdbpdx.com/CYL/SpB/tn-400_Label_BLUE-AMBEROL_SPECIAL -B.JPG Thanks! Cliff ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com/mailman/listinfo/78-l ___ 78-L mailing list 7...@klickitat.78online.com http://klickitat.78online.com
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Here's the rest of the Hebrew specials, announced in the October 1911 Edison Phonograph Monthly: Special L Die Fier Dzeks, Marsch - New York Military Band Special M Szenen Wos Seinen Die Lebendigste - H. Benne Henton, saxophone Special N Unissued Special O Dem Nosir's Glok, Overture - American Symphony Orchestra Special P Hop Skotch, a Barn Tanz - Alexander Prince, concertina Special Q Unissued Special R Serenada fun Malochim - Jean Schwiller, cello Special S A Mensch Sol Men Sein - Simon Paskal Special T Schenke A Neduwe - Regina Prager Special U Dus Fertriebene Teibele - Frances Siminoff Special V A Yudische Chupe - Solomon Smulewitz Special W Oif Dem Schenem Bloiem Dunai - Johann Strauss Orchestra Specials X, Y, and Z Unissued -Ryan On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Scott and Denise Corbett sdcorb...@earthlink.net wrote: Don't forget the Special Blue box series continued on with the Hebrew series. I think 10 more picking up at L . I think we have letter O S in wax. I hear this was for a specialty market promotion. There must have not been many made. I have not heard of any others than these two, but there must be more out there. Anybody? -Scott Denise Corbett -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 2:35 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion Aren't the 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records you speak of the orange boxed ones? There were only 10 of the blue boxed and they had Special A, etc numbers. === Peter Fraser wrote: Excellent! Any ideas on why some are flat and some beveled? I'll dive into the EPMs for clues as well. Did you touch on them in any of your books? Thanks. Great to hear from you. Also CCing to the list. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:29 PM, ronald dethlefson r2d...@pacbell.net wrote: Peter, Please see Wendell Moore's Edison Phonograph Monthly Vol Viii 1910. The 24 Special Edison Amberol Series D Promotion records are listed there with catalog numbers and content comments. Six of these records were to be given to a person who brought in a customer who bought a new Edison phonograph. This plan was introduced in July 1910. No more than 24 cylinders were released for this plan, so I assume that it was not a success. Neither were these special Blue Amberol selections issued in the regular catalog. So they are quite rare and seldom found today. Best regards, Ron On Nov 8, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Peter Fraser wrote: This is an interesting discussion going on, over on That Other List. Note especially the links to great scans of an Edison promo leaflet for the Special Amberols, directly below. They are cool and unique...indeed, special. I have assembled a set of the blue versions, and note that some are beveled and some are flat ended. This seems to indicate they stayed in production for a long time. Are there any facts available on that? Do they appear in any catalogs? (Including Ron Dethlefson, because I bet he knows!!) Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com Begin forwarded message: From: Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com Date: November 8, 2013 at 1:05:44 AM PST To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? Reply-To: 78-L Mail List 7...@klickitat.78online.com If anyone's interested... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola01.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola02.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola03.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/461/SpecialAmberola04.jpg === == Ron L'Herault wrote: I believe that you could also get some special records as a reward for recommending a friend to an Edison dealer. If the friend bought a machine, you got records as a reward. Ron L -Original Message- From: 78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com [mailto:78-l-boun...@klickitat.78online.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Lehman Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM To: 78-L Mail List Subject: Re: [78-L] SPECIAL B. Blue Amberol Cylinder?? The titles were the same - different labeling on the boxes and lids though - Amberol and Blue Amberol. Michael Biel wrote: When the wax Amberol cylinder came out in 1908 and again when the Blue Amberol came out in 1912, Edison gave the purchasers of new machines or converting kits a set of 10 or 12 cylinders that were available only that way. They were numbered Special A, Special B, etc. I don't think the two sets were the same recordings. My
Re: [Phono-L] [78-L] Edison Special Amberols discussion
Darrell, yes, the New Phonogram announced in October 1910 Specials D 1 through D 24 in orange boxes. They were not sold separately and not listed in the general catalog or supplements. When an Edison owner got a friend to purchase a new Edison phonograph, the person who recommended the friend would receive six of the 24 Amberols for free. Owners were given an orange Edison Phonograph Owner's Certificate dated July 1, 1910, which today is extremely rare (a copy of the certificate was reprinted in In the Groove several years ago but I don't have the citation). This could be repeated until the owner had all 24, which meant you had to get four friends to buy phonographs if you wanted all 24 -- quite a challenge if you're not very sociable, or if most of your friends owned Victors! But people having few contacts wouldn't be the only reason why they sold so poorly. In January 1911, the New Phonogram announced a special list of 500 two-minute cylinders that were going to be discontinued the following year. Owners who got their friends to buy an Edison phonograph could either select NINE two-minute cylinders from the list, or six Amberols from the list of the 24 D series. This no doubt cut into the distribution of the D series, and none were reissued on Blue Amberols. -Ryan ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
