Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Mr. Mercer, please contact me off list to discuss my C-2s - you seem to have expertise with Edison electronics. My E-mail is: jim...@earthlink.net Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austins Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 10:00:50 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Jim, it doesn't sound like the pickup is the issue, although George Epple is the person to contact regarding these early types of horseshoe pickups. It's possible that you have speaker issues that are fixable. The Peerless used a single wound voice coil as opposed to other speaker designs that used thousands of turns of #20 gauge copper wire in the voice coil. The speakers must have absolutely clean and tightened contacts or the work poorly. I rebuilt my R-1, R-2, C-1, and C-2 myself except for the pickup. These were the four radios or combinations that came out in 1928. Later models used a Magnovox speaker of more conventional design (green chassis). I like the Peerless speaker because of the very high quality and the unique but can be troublesome design. The overall chassis builds (copper color) are extremely high quality with the Jr chassis in all but the C-1 which has the Sr chassis. I'm curious to know which model radio you are using to play the pickup through. Since it is an R-1 or R-2 and has the Peerless speaker, I would unplug the radio speaker and plug into the C-2 speaker. Subbing out the speakers will tell you right away if you are having speaker problems. If not, the problem lies in the chassis itself. I'm going to contact you off list to find out more about why or how they do not play well. Once everything IS up to par the set can be fine tuned to get rid of other sound issues by adding proper damping to the amp, speaker, arm, and motorboard. Also, there is a sweet spot in positioning the speaker front to back to eliminate any boom. Properly restored, those C-2s should sound awesome. I use the C-2 as much as I do the C-1 because it's easier to load unless I want the added power of the super amp and two speakers in the C-1. Bruce (btw) the pickup should track at five ounces. - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2 yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable do not use it on Diamond Discs.Both of my C-2s have been restored but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which was incomplete I've been uable to get him to return it.)Through the Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Hello lucky owners, How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. Even without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds better. I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a difference. Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when they were dubbed to BA's? Best regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb erols | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=replymessageNum=37876 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg5b21uBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZHVkODIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzAwMjgxNzky Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional , Daily Digest mailto:phonolist-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest € Unsubscribe mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe € Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
According to Frow, _Edison Disc Phonographs_ p 88, the Needle Records were designed to play at 78.8 rpm, and I have a suspicion that the post 19025-matrix DDs were probably recorded at that as well. The factory recommendation of 79 rpm would therefore be a compromise for non-Edison 78s and earlier 80 rpm DDs, but effectively correct for contemporary Edison product. Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Mercer [maxbu...@wowway.com] Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 3:02 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Hello lucky owners, How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. Even without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds better. I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a difference. Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when they were dubbed to BA's? Best regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb erols | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=replymessageNum=37876 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg5b21uBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZHVkODIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzAwMjgxNzky Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional , Daily Digest mailto:phonolist-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest € Unsubscribe mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe € Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2 yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable do not use it on Diamond Discs.Both of my C-2s have been restored but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which was incomplete I've been uable to get him to return it.)Through the Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austins Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Hello lucky owners, How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. Even without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds better. I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a difference. Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when they were dubbed to BA's? Best regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb erols | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=replymessageNum=37876 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg5b21uBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZHVkODIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzAwMjgxNzky Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
If the pick-ups are the problem, I would recommend George Epple as the rebuilder. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of jim...@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:00 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2 yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable do not use it on Diamond Discs.Both of my C-2s have been restored but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which was incomplete I've been uable to get him to return it.)Through the Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austins Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Hello lucky owners, How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. Even without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds better. I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a difference. Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when they were dubbed to BA's? Best regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb erols | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=replymessageNum=37876 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
From Ron D: Bill, I assume they finally recorded DDs at 78 because it was the same speed as needle cut Edison discs. The change was made in Feb. 1929 when the old 79 Fifth Avenue Studios were abandoned for new ones further up 5th avenue. All DDs with matrix numbers of 19025 and above were recorded at 78 rpm. When dubbing to 160 rpm Blue Amberols from 78s, the master was simply played at 78 rpm into the cylinder recorder. The Edison Co. advised dealers to tell customers to play old 80 rpm DDs at 79 rpm as a happy medium for both types of Edison records. I suspect that customers may not have noticed the difference between 78 and 80 rpm when playing discs. Ron I will have to look it up but I think just after matrix number 19000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Jim, it doesn't sound like the pickup is the issue, although George Epple is the person to contact regarding these early types of horseshoe pickups. It's possible that you have speaker issues that are fixable. The Peerless used a single wound voice coil as opposed to other speaker designs that used thousands of turns of #20 gauge copper wire in the voice coil. The speakers must have absolutely clean and tightened contacts or the work poorly. I rebuilt my R-1, R-2, C-1, and C-2 myself except for the pickup. These were the four radios or combinations that came out in 1928. Later models used a Magnovox speaker of more conventional design (green chassis). I like the Peerless speaker because of the very high quality and the unique but can be troublesome design. The overall chassis builds (copper color) are extremely high quality with the Jr chassis in all but the C-1 which has the Sr chassis. I'm curious to know which model radio you are using to play the pickup through. Since it is an R-1 or R-2 and has the Peerless speaker, I would unplug the radio speaker and plug into the C-2 speaker. Subbing out the speakers will tell you right away if you are having speaker problems. If not, the problem lies in the chassis itself. I'm going to contact you off list to find out more about why or how they do not play well. Once everything IS up to par the set can be fine tuned to get rid of other sound issues by adding proper damping to the amp, speaker, arm, and motorboard. Also, there is a sweet spot in positioning the speaker front to back to eliminate any boom. Properly restored, those C-2s should sound awesome. I use the C-2 as much as I do the C-1 because it's easier to load unless I want the added power of the super amp and two speakers in the C-1. Bruce (btw) the pickup should track at five ounces. - Original Message - From: jim...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Right now my C-2 plays through an Edison radio using the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2 yes I had the restorer make the filter switchable do not use it on Diamond Discs.Both of my C-2s have been restored but do not play well. Can you all recommend someone who really knows how to work on them? (I have a 3rd, but the restorer kept its chassis which was incomplete I've been uable to get him to return it.)Through the Edison Radio using the C-2 turntable pickup, Diamond Discs sound great! Jim Cartwright IMMORTAL PERFORMANCES, INC Austin's Eclectic Used Record Store Since 1971 1404 West 30th StreetAustin, Texas 78703-1402 USA (512) 478-9954E-mail: jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Bruce Mercer maxbu...@wowway.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 17-Mar-2011 2:05:11 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Thanks for that information and the matrix number. Both my C-1 and C-2 have the same speed control knobs. It should be an easy thing to dial back the speed indicator on the marked backplate for those late DD and Needle Cuts to obtain an accurate 78rpm. I notice in the factory manual that they recommended setting it at a comprimise of 79 rpm if primarily playing DD. I doubt the average consumer of the day couldn't tell the difference one way or the other. While on the subject of these machines, I'd like to know if anyone else that has a C-1 or C-2 switches OUT the filter. It vastly overfilters the DD on either machine. I rarely switch it IN. Bruce - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l
Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols
Possibly for new owners of the C-1 and C-2 Edison radio/phonographs, which were capable of playing both lateral and vertical records by just flipping the stylus? -- one less step for new Edison owners to consider? -- And how late are we talking on Diamond Discs being at 78? The Goldman Band discs in the 52630s play at pitch at 80? I have 52650,a Frankie Marvin disc, but I haven't played it in a long time -- might check it -- Philip From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Bill Taney [b...@taney.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:33 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l Subject: Re: [Phono-L] [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Why did they record the final diamond disc's at 78RPM? Seems rather odd decision since existing owners would have to adjust the speed of their machines for these records then adjust back for any of the previous 15 yr + worth of records. Bill From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Reply-To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:22:28 -0400 To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org, phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [phonolist] 5700 series Blue Amberols Hello lucky owners, How do these sound? Has anyone heard them played with the Diamond D? I recently rebuilt one with a new stylus, the diaphragm was still good. Even without the extra weight it sounds better so I assume the final Diamond C with the weight from the same casting as the Diamond D also sounds better. I played an acoustic dub of an electrically recorded DD and there is a difference. Ron, the final DD records were recorded at 78 rpm so what was done when they were dubbed to BA's? Best regards, Steve [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Reply to sender mailto:steve_nor...@msn.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amberols | Reply to group mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%205700%20series%20Blue%20Amb erols | Reply via web post http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxdm9sOWhvBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2BHNlYwNmd HIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg--?act=replymessageNum=37876 | Start a New Topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJldjZkZWxmBF9TAzk3M zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc 3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist/message/37876;_ylc=X3oDMTM2NDRwYjNv BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBG1zZ0lkAzM3ODc2 BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMwMDI4MTc5MgR0cGNJZAMzNzg3Ng-- (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phonolist;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNGg5b21uBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E0BGdycElkAzEyMjEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbW UDMTMwMDI4MTc5Mg-- http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZHVkODIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEyM jEzMTMEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzAwMjgxNzky Switch to: Text-Only mailto:phonolist-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery Format: Traditional , Daily Digest mailto:phonolist-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest € Unsubscribe mailto:phonolist-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe € Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
