Re: [pinhole-discussion] ground glass

2001-12-20 Thread G.Penate
- Original Message - From: Murray upt...@uptowngallery.org Has anyone ever tried making a 'ground glass' viewing plate (or whatever you call it), either with 'non-glare' etched picture framing glass, or subjecting a piece of this or other glass to additional abrasion? I have used

Re: [pinhole-discussion] editions

2001-12-20 Thread Ray Esposito
Colin - you make good points. I would like to add another. At Parkhurst Center we require our represented artists and photographers to provide a full disclosure statement for each print or photo. We do not tell them how to edition or if they should or should not edition. That is an artistic

Re: [pinhole-discussion] editions

2001-12-20 Thread Colin Talcroft
I, too, have at least as much experience with printmaking as with photography. Numbering or not is entirely a personal choice, it seems to me. What does seem important is that you do it, if you choose to, in a way that is consistent and one that simply and honestly tells the consumer (and reminds

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread Richard Heather
Both vinagar and stop bath are Acetic acid CH3COOH. The only thing that counts is lowering the PH to stop the development . If you skimp on the stop you will use up your fixer prematurely. There is no free lunch. Richard Heather Erich wrote: Jeremy, just wondering if anyone has tried

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread Kosinski Family
Here's more of the story on water/vinegar stop baths... Water alone is a good stop bath but it works by diluting the developer, which takes longer than the acid stop bath's chemical reaction. You need more agitation to eliminate streaks. Those spots than stop baths cause are from gas bubbles

RE: [pinhole-discussion] alternative darkroom chemistry

2001-12-20 Thread George L Smyth
--- Dan Gerber dger...@adobe.com wrote: Water alone can also be used as stop bath, just keep it in there for twice as long, and I like to agitate a little more.(I hate the smell of indicator stop bath!) This can be done, but you will exhaust your fixer considerably quicker. It is very much a

Re: [pinhole-discussion] agfa grade 1 craziness

2001-12-20 Thread Chris Peregoy
Somewhere in the archive is a post from Sam Wang where he describes how to pre-fog your paper from the back to the same density of the watermark, effectivly hiding it. Richard Heather wrote: You can scan the negs, invert, and print digitally. Richard Heather R Duarte wrote: ugh. i just

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread ragowaring
I used to use stop bath religiously but now I don't bother and boy is it easier and less smelly. I rarely need the bath anyway as I make sure the fixer is fresh anyway and I have more room and less clutter. Stop bath is useful in printing only if you are going to do like so many prints..

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread George L Smyth
Another important feature of the stop bath is that it helps buffer contaminents moving from the developer to the fix. Without this step, the fix will become exhausted much quicker. Cheers- george --- Gordon Holtslander hol...@duke.usask.ca wrote: Develpoers depend on an alkaline

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Ebay - Pinhole Zone Plate Photo Technical 4x5 Field

2001-12-20 Thread Ray Esposito
Whether or not you want the camera, at the buy it price of $319 that is still $40 cheaper than buying it on Pinhole Resource, the only other place I have seen this camera for sale. http://www.pinholeresource.com/products.html Cheers Ray Hey! This was on ebay a couple of weeks agor

[pinhole-discussion] ground glass

2001-12-20 Thread Murray
Has anyone ever tried making a 'ground glass' viewing plate (or whatever you call it), either with 'non-glare' etched picture framing glass, or subjecting a piece of this or other glass to additional abrasion? Thanks Murray

[pinhole-discussion] adhesive sparks in the dark

2001-12-20 Thread Murray
I THINK the phenomenon is called the tribolectric effect (has nothing to do with natives being restless). When I was a kid my father showed me that with wha the then called 'friction tape (?)' if I remember right - kinf d of like black cloth electrical tape before PVC was hip. I also think it's

Re: [pinhole-discussion] editions

2001-12-20 Thread Ray Esposito
Lisa - I agree with Eric. The IFPDA site has a lot of good info on numbering. Like Eric I am basically a printmaker but I use the same system in photography. I see no reason to do otherwise. Most photographers do not number their prints. I do and after the edition is printed, I pull one extra

RE: [pinhole-discussion] agfa grade 1 craziness

2001-12-20 Thread Dan Gerber
I think I remember hearing back when I was in school that Agfa recognized this problem, and redesigned the packaging somehow(different tape??)and it was difficult to get their paper for a short period of time because of it. At the time, I was experimenting with different FB papers, and found that

Re: [pinhole-discussion] agfa grade 1 craziness

2001-12-20 Thread Bill Erickson
You get it all the time when loading 35mm or 120 film, when you pull the tape off. I've never seen it cause a problem. - Original Message - From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: [pinhole-discussion] agfa

Re: [pinhole-discussion] Re: vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread Gordon Holtslander
Develpoers depend on an alkaline environment. When the film developer combination is placed in an acidic environment development slows down or ceases completely. Stop bath is a mild acid, it lowers the pH of the environment to the extent that the developer can no longer function and thus

[pinhole-discussion] Re: vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread Diana H. Bloomfield
Hi Jeremy, I used to use a commercial stop bath, then I switched to white vinegar and water. Now I just use water. As Dan said, just agitate the print in the plain water a little longer. I switched to plain water for a stop bath, because on sheet film, I was always getting these little tiny

Re: [pinhole-discussion] editions

2001-12-20 Thread Eric S. Theise
Lisa Reddig writes: Does anyone know anywhere online I can learn about the rules of editioning and pricing prints? A good overview of how it works in printmaking is at http://www.artline.com/associations/ifpda/text/whatisprint.html in the last section called Numbering and Other

[pinhole-discussion] Vinegar as stop bath

2001-12-20 Thread Erich
Jeremy, just wondering if anyone has tried using vinegar as a stop bath... I've been using vinegar everytime time I travel and have to do film processing in hotel bathrooms *g* It works fine at a low cost. Erich

RE: [pinhole-discussion] alternative darkroom chemistry

2001-12-20 Thread Dan Gerber
Water alone can also be used as stop bath, just keep it in there for twice as long, and I like to agitate a little more.(I hate the smell of indicator stop bath!) -Dan -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf

Re: [pinhole-discussion] alternative darkroom chemistry

2001-12-20 Thread Erich
Jeremy, just wondering if anyone has tried using vinegar as a stop bath... I've been using vinegar everytime time I travel and have to do film processing in hotel bathrooms *g* It works fine at a low cost. Erich

RE: [pinhole-discussion] alternative darkroom chemistry

2001-12-20 Thread Andy Schmitt
Adding some of the White stuff to water will give you a stop bath. (Don't use the Grape vinegar, though it might make an interesting toner...) andy -Original Message- From: pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ??? [mailto:pinhole-discussion-admin@p at ???]On Behalf Of Jeremy Siemens

[pinhole-discussion] alternative darkroom chemistry

2001-12-20 Thread Jeremy Siemens
Hi everyone, While we're still talking about darkroom chemistry... just wondering if anyone has tried using vinegar as a stop bath in the darkroom. Obviously there would be no colour change when the pH gets too high, but I don't process large volumes of prints at any given time so I can't see

[pinhole-discussion] Subject: agfa grade 1 craziness

2001-12-20 Thread Natalie Nadozirny
Message: 10 List-Post: pinhole-discussion@pinhole.com Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:56:57 -0500 From: R Duarte ra...@rahji.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Subject: [pinhole-discussion] agfa grade 1 craziness Reply-To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? I bought a package of AGFA grade 1 RC

[pinhole-discussion] editions

2001-12-20 Thread Lisa Reddig
Hello Does anyone know anywhere online I can learn about the rules of editioning and pricing prints? Thanks lisa ** Olly Olly Oxen Free **

Re: [pinhole-discussion] agfa grade 1 craziness

2001-12-20 Thread R Duarte
ugh. i just looked at the negatives i made and realized that they have the AGFA watermark on the back like you said. that stinks.

[pinhole-discussion] Re: encoding

2001-12-20 Thread Diana H. Bloomfield
Hi Gregg, You can change that setting to plain text, which is what I have, but it doesn't always help. I get this markup constantly, so changing the setting won't get rid of all of it. (Someone who lives in this house told me that a message that was created as multipart/alternative gets

[pinhole-discussion] FB Paper

2001-12-20 Thread ethereal art
But most important, you need to wash longer, since the fiber paper is soaked with the chemicals. Guy Or use hypo-clearing agent. Rosanne

Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6 x 8 film?

2001-12-20 Thread G.Penate
- Original Message - From: Colin Talcroft ctalcr...@yahoo.com To: pinhole-discussion@p at ??? Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [pinhole-discussion] 6 x 8 film? Slightly off-topic, but I was hoping someone might be able to tell me if there ever was (or still

Re: [pinhole-discussion] ilford fiber paper?

2001-12-20 Thread B2MYOUNG
In a message dated 12/20/01 7:20:14 AM, guy.glori...@sympatico.ca writes: But most important, you need to wash longer, since the fiber paper is soaked with the chemicals. What you will find on drying is that the paper is not flat and that it has shrunk by about 1-3%. If you have access to a

Re: [pinhole-discussion] ilford fiber paper?

2001-12-20 Thread Guy Glorieux
b2myo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/20/01 1:48:13 AM, rheat...@slonet.org writes: You develop paper (not RC) longer in the developer (1-3min) to get a full exposure. and fix for longer depending upon the fixer you are using. leezy But most important, you need to wash

Re: [pinhole-discussion] ilford fiber paper?

2001-12-20 Thread Richard Heather
Agfa paper has a logo imprinted on the back. I don't think Ilford does. Grade 1 should work fine for paper negs. You develop paper (not RC) longer in the developer (1-3min) to get a full exposure. If it looks too dense or too contrasty in the soup under safelight you may pull it out sooner but

[pinhole-discussion] ilford fiber paper?

2001-12-20 Thread R Duarte
I just realized that one of my packages of RC paper is actually not RC - it's fiber! I can't return it because the photo store doesn't allow returns on paper. Can I use this for printing in the same way that I use RC paper? I'm guessing I can't use it for paper negatives. Looking at the Ilford