Arizona meetup at SCaLE

2009-02-19 Thread der.hans
moin moin, there will be a bunch of people from Arizona at SCaLE again this year. We should try to get together at some point and introduce ourselves. Please post this email to other lists, so we can reach them as well. We could meet during the day such as Saturday at 14:30 or Sunday for lunch

Re: FS games at SCaLE

2009-02-19 Thread Tameek Henderson
Hey Hans, That sounds like fun. I'd love to volunteer for this. --Original Message-- From: der.hans Sender: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us ReplyTo: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Sent: Feb 19, 2009 1:49 AM Subject: FS

RE: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
I would bet that a 400ft cable would work just fine. I worked in a building where we had a few 600 and 700 ft lines. There were some intermittent problems, but they usually worked well. We eventually put in a switch to serve that side of the building, but the switch was on a 700 ft line and it

Re: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Alan Dayley
Thank you all for the input and experiences. In this case we need to do live video streaming through the long connection. We are reluctant to just run a cable that should work so we will use a router or switch in the middle of the run. BTW, my reading shows that the distance is a limitation of

Re: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Nathan England
On Thursday 19 February 2009 10:29:45 Alan Dayley wrote: Thank you all for the input and experiences. In this case we need to do live video streaming through the long connection. We are reluctant to just run a cable that should work so we will use a router or switch in the middle of the run.

RE: anyone else using Qwest/2-wire DSL service?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
OK, you got me started. First the actiontec is a piece of #...@$. It has a know bug with dns, that has never been fixed. Dealing with qwest tech is a pain, they will spend at least an hour going through the simple steps (which is all scripted), before they will escalate to some second tier. It

RE: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
But you have to run a cable either way ? So if you run the 400 ft, and then test it, if it works with no problems, you don't need a switch and you save money. If it's not up to par, you cut the cable in half, and insert the switch, you had to run two anyway. Remember also the quality of the

Re: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Alan Dayley
If this were a casual situation, we might do what you suggest. But using a cable that is too long is known to be a source of intermittent and odd problems. In this situation we'd rather do it right once and not worry about errors happening when we least want them. This is a pretty good if not

Re: anyone else using Qwest/2-wire DSL service?

2009-02-19 Thread JD Austin
I got rid or Qwest a year ago for exactly that reason. They'd fix my phone lines then DSL would break then they'd fix DSL and mess up the phone line. Sometimes they'd fix the line they came to fix but then break my home phone line. Finally I just got tired of dealing with them and dropped DSL

Re: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Tony Wasson
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Alan Dayley ala...@consultpros.com wrote: If this were a casual situation, we might do what you suggest. But using a cable that is too long is known to be a source of intermittent and odd problems. In this situation we'd rather do it right once and not worry

lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Sean Roe
Hi All, has anybody got any experience with lprng and samba? I have lprng working so I can print from the localhost and samba is working as I can attach shares and all. but when I try to setup a printer in samba, I am having no real progress. I am running LPRng-3.8.A and samba-3.2.0-1 on Fedora

RE: anyone else using Qwest/2-wire DSL service?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
I signed up for Price for Life, you sign up for two years, and then you have the price for life. After two years, my price went up. I still fighting with them 4 months now. Everyone I talk to says I should get the lower price, but then they escalate it and the higher ups who won't talk to me,

RE: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
Theoretical and Real Life are sometimes not the same. If you have a good cable tester (expensive), it could help you. -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Alan Dayley Sent: Thursday,

RE: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
I don't see an rm=machine-name:rp=print-name: entry in your printcap. This makes me think, that the printer is not shared on the host. Also where are you printing from ? What OS ? I know there is a bug in windows media center (at least on my laptop), that I have not been able to fix. If it is

Re: Arizona meetup at SCaLE

2009-02-19 Thread Shawn Badger
I like the Sunday lunch idea On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:57 AM, der.hans pl...@lufthans.com wrote: moin moin, there will be a bunch of people from Arizona at SCaLE again this year. We should try to get together at some point and introduce ourselves. Please post this email to other lists, so

Re: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Sean Roe
Hi, the rm entry from what I can tell is not needed because I have the lp flag set. Im pretty sure the file is getting to lpd but Im not sure about debugging from there. I am printing from a windows XP pro machine. heres the error I got when I put in the rm entry: Warning - lp1: 'conflicting

RE: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
Well I don't believe it should be localhost, maybe the IP of the machine the printer is connected to. Are you sure your printer is shared, having an entry in samba doesn't mean it's shared, it needs to be shared in LPRng. Have you tried searching for the log files, /var/log/something for cups

RE: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I too have over run cable. If you use cable there is rarely a problem. If there is manually setting the speeds on both ends will often clear it up. However, for a video feed I would be highly reluctant. Just pay the $35 for a 4 port 10/100 switch and be done with it. If the line runs though

RE: OT:Switch boosts ethernet?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
Can someone bring a 400ft cable to the west side meeting next week, so we can do a test. LOL -Original Message- From: plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Bryan O'Neal Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:43 PM

Re: anyone else using Qwest/2-wire DSL service?

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
i left qwest a long time ago and it was fro crap like that have never looked back, and they have jerked about my company so badly we are moving to integra for all 3 of our locations On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: I signed up for Price for Life, you

Re: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
also can you try and install the services for unix stuff that MS has, it will allow you to print directly via LPD wich might be a sidestep... On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Bob Elzer bob.el...@gmail.com wrote: Well I don't believe it should be localhost, maybe the IP of the machine the

Re: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 11:59 -0700, Sean Roe wrote: Hi All, has anybody got any experience with lprng and samba? I have lprng working so I can print from the localhost and samba is working as I can attach shares and all. but when I try to setup a printer in samba, I am having no real

OCS inventory

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
http://www.ocsinventory-ng.org/ Has anyone used OCS inventory before? I am running it for the first time and it is interesting i even seem to have it talking with glpi... and can install the agent, but i am not seeing any information from the agents to the server and i am faily sure im missing

Re: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Sean Roe
the combo of cups and samba wont print pdf correctly so I figure Id try something else. I can see the file getting to lprng from this output: Status: IF filter 'foomatic-rip' filter msg - 'foomatic-rip version $Revision$ running...' at 13:34:13.810 Status: IF filter 'foomatic-rip' filter msg

RE: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
Funny thing is, I just got the laptop to print to my linux box. lol I'm using cups and I don't have a problem printing PDF's to it. And when I add the printer in windows, it connected to the linux box to get the driver. Under advanced tab on the printer properties, the print processor tells me

RE: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
You're not going to get a single same answer on this. LOL My favorites are Centos, and Ubuntu. For server I'm using Centos, 5.3 is the current or will be very soon. Stability is the main reason. It is essentially a rebranding of RedHat Enterprise, but free. It doesn't have a new version every

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Charles Jones
Agreed. For servers I usually do CentOS. For Workstations I use Fedora or Ubuntu. If you want something to play with there are security-specific distros like BackTrack, etc. -Charles Bob Elzer wrote: You're not going to get a single same answer on this. LOL My favorites are Centos, and

RE: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Lisa Kachold
No technical professional today can afford to not become familiar and proficient with KNOPPIX including checking out the excellent O'Reilly Knoppix Tools books that provide s-hexy solutions that defy nix arrogance to trancend Microsoft, Apple and web systems tricks. As for Linux based toys

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
I came to list not for one answer but for many... :-) ill have tolook at the open VZ/Virtuozzo sometime as we need a pretty hefty virtual datacenter at some point. we are useing ESXi now but the virtualcenter is horribly expensive even at the 40 some % off we would get as a not for profit. but

RE: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Lisa Kachold
And at a certain point most useable distros are just either KDE/KDE4 or Gnome with minor udev or Networker variations, where one can play with mass implementation using Puppet or maintaining server farms via Cobbler which require you to stretch your creative skills in more evolved (than ISO

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen P Rufle
Play with BSD or OpenSolaris At the last Stammtisch we were talking about Myth TV and Squeeze Box maybe that would be interesting. Stephen wrote: I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it worthwhile to

RE: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
I didn't have any problems setting up the web server on Centos. Centos also has Xen for virtualization, but I'm not sure how good or bad that is, because the box isn't good enough for that (someday maybe). I setup apache just by editing the config file, but you could use webmin to config it. As

Hackfest Linux Security Series: Patch Procrastinators Recovery Lab

2009-02-19 Thread Lisa Kachold
Last chance to test NTP before patching? NTP FingerPrinting Tool: http://www.securiteam.com/tools/6F00Q20EKY.html Next Generation NTP Reverse Shell: http://www.securebits.org/presentations/AR_NGRS_HITB_08.ppt obnosis.com | wiki.obnosis.com| (503)754-4452 PLUG HACKFESTS 2nd Saturday Each

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
hehe i liked FreeBSD but it really didnt bring enough to the table other than being the other *nix for me. i should learn it in a real way eventually but i like linux just fine. OpenSolaris really gave me nothing at all interesting except it was by sun ... but that was running on my 2002 P4 beast

HackFest Linux Security Series: XSS Gates

2009-02-19 Thread Lisa Kachold
Still itching to prove that Linux is more secure than Windows? XSS Shell - XSS Tunnel tool can be configured and tested in wine or OpenVZ, then unleashed against any Gates system victim (with written permission of course). Should you want to explore this extremely common security exploit,

RE: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
You caught me. I know this seems like flame bait so I will try not to stoke the fire too much 1) You are correct about Knopix, but their are a number of specialty live distros I have used over the years, including one base on widows xp. That said these are primarily used for diagnostics and

OT HackFest Linux Secondurity Series: XSS Gates

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
I find this amusing from a ms email service /snicker On 2/19/09, Lisa Kachold lisakach...@obnosis.com wrote: Still itching to prove that Linux is more secure than Windows? XSS Shell - XSS Tunnel tool can be configured and tested in wine or OpenVZ, then unleashed against any Gates system

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Francis Earl
My personal list of Distributions i have spent some real quality time with Ubuntu/Debian Fedora/Red Hat new and old/Centos Suse/Opensuse Gentoo You should take some time to look at Arch. While it isn't particularly new (2002 first release) it is basically the ideal distro. Packaging

OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Alan Dayley
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on exchange really If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without some serious work and cobbling As a forced user of Exchange

RE: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Open Solaris provides a fabulous file system! I am half tempted to convert my ONealAndAssocaites file server over to it... But then I think about how I am a lazy admin who has something working perfectly well and the temptation subsides ;) -Original Message- From:

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Nathan England
On Thursday 19 February 2009 18:12:00 Francis Earl wrote: My personal list of Distributions i have spent some real quality time with Ubuntu/Debian Fedora/Red Hat new and old/Centos Suse/Opensuse Gentoo You should take some time to look at Arch. While it isn't particularly new

RE: Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
I'm going to go with your IT people are doing it wrong :) I liked exchange, then I had to administer it and at first I hated exchange, but now I love it. I have very few problems. I would say as many as I have with any MS product. On my Linux boxes I just IMAP'ed for email and used an ical

Re: new hotness?

2009-02-19 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 14:51 -0700, Stephen wrote: I have been looking about for the new hotness as it were. and wondering what dis has something really groundbreaking that makes it worthwhile to look at. I guess part of me is tired of the flavor of the month distributions that are

Re: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Sean Roe
well I am back to where I started except now I'm using lprng. I can print text, docs and images from my windows XP pro box to my printer on my linux box, but still no PDFs. huh, well that leads me to think that its a samba thing or maybe a mime types thing. Any comments? Sean On Thu, Feb 19,

Re: OCS inventory

2009-02-19 Thread Benjamin Francom
Has anyone used OCS inventory before? Yes, it's been a while though. I am running it for the first time and it is interesting i even seem to have it talking with glpi... and can install the agent, but i am not seeing any information from the agents to the server and i am faily sure im

Re: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
What exchange can do is really good, but gettong it to work well is almost Byzantine in its poorly doctumented way I have run them and will do so again but the bugaboos that don't come up till its an issue are the kicker and not worth it if your doing just email and the like but it is petlt the

Re: OCS inventory

2009-02-19 Thread Stephen
I have not tried up yet and the clients are windows so far Ill have to test that tomorrow On 2/19/09, Benjamin Francom bfran...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone used OCS inventory before? Yes, it's been a while though. I am running it for the first time and it is interesting i even seem to have

Re: Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Nathan England
On Thursday 19 February 2009 20:07:10 Bryan O'Neal wrote: I'm going to go with your IT people are doing it wrong :) I liked exchange, then I had to administer it and at first I hated exchange, but now I love it. I have very few problems. I would say as many as I have with any MS product.

RE: Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Bryan O'Neal
Rely! KDE Kontact! I am so going to check that out this weekend! Thanks :) --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings:

RE: lprng

2009-02-19 Thread Bob Elzer
I'd say it is a print configuration on linux side problem. Have you tried deleting print on XP and adding it again ? You haven't mentioned what type of printer you have, and what kind of connection. With CUPS I set up a queue, pick a driver and share the printer, I also have a tab for changing

Re: Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Nathan England
On Thursday 19 February 2009 22:34:17 you wrote: Rely! KDE Kontact! I am so going to check that out this weekend! Thanks :) : --- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change

Re: OT:Exchange good? (Was:Re: new hotness?)

2009-02-19 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2009-02-19 at 19:37 -0700, Alan Dayley wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Stephen cryptwo...@gmail.com wrote: I agree on exchange really If you need just email exchange is the wrong thing but if you are looking at all the other stuff I haven't seen anything close without some