Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/15/11 11:35 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote: Hi Kingsley, I have a few questions. See below. On 14 Jun 2011, at 22:24, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 6/13/11 9:29 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Then you go on to say that it would be much better if it said: id:

Re: URI Owners

2011-06-15 Thread Michael Hausenblas
Do URIs have owners? I don't thing owner is the correct term. A URI has an agent (person, group) who controls what it resolves to, but I'm not sure you can own an identifier. http://www.w3.org/TR/webarch/#uri-assignment Cheers, Michael -- Dr. Michael Hausenblas, Research Fellow

Re: URI Owners

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Cyganiak
On 15 Jun 2011, at 12:35, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: ah, it's owned because the community agrees that is the way we work, it's not a legal ownership. That was my confusion. That's one side. There is a legal argument too. Gross oversimplification: You can own URIs because you can own domain

Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Richard Cyganiak
On 15 Jun 2011, at 12:01, Kingsley Idehen wrote: https://graph.facebook.com/kidehen#this Would you agree that Facebook are the owners of this URI? I would say they own the URI: https://graph.facebook.com/kidehen I use that URI as the basis for a disambiguated URI in my data space, for

Re: URI Owners

2011-06-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/15/11 11:58 AM, Christopher Gutteridge wrote: Picking up on comment by Richard, but forking the thread Would you agree that Facebook are the owners of this URI? Do URIs have owners? I don't thing owner is the correct term. A URI has an agent (person, group) who controls what it resolves

Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 12 June 2011 23:05, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: All, Facebook offers a data space (of the silo variety). Every Object has an Address (URL) from which you can access its actual Representation in JSON format. Example using the URL: http://graph.facebook.com/kidehen: {  

Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 13 June 2011 10:29, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote: On 6/13/11 8:46 AM, Richard Cyganiak wrote: On 12 Jun 2011, at 22:05, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Example using the URL: http://graph.facebook.com/kidehen: {   id: 605980750,   name: Kingsley Uyi Idehen,   first_name:

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On 13 June 2011 07:52, Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote: OK, I am now completely and utterly lost. I have no idea what you are saying or how any of it is relevant to the http-range-14 issue. Want to try running it past me again? Bear in mind that I do not accept your claim that a description

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Jason Borro
I agree with your sentiments Danny, fwiw. The current scheme is a burden on publishers for the sake of a handful of applications that wish to refer to these information resources themselves, making them unable to talk about Web pages using the Web description language RDF. What about minting

Fwd: [goodrelations] Google bug: foaf:page and Google Rich Snippets

2011-06-15 Thread Martin Hepp
I thought this might also be relevant for subscribers of these lists. Begin forwarded message: From: Martin Hepp martin.h...@ebusiness-unibw.org Date: June 15, 2011 9:44:49 PM GMT+02:00 To: goodrelations-list goodrelati...@ebusiness-unibw.org Subject: [goodrelations] Google bug: foaf:page

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread William Waites
* [2011-06-14 08:55:09 -0700] Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us écrit: ] Well, you have got me confused. Are you saying here that it does ] in fact make sense to say that a description of the eiffel tower ] is 356M tall? I'm just saying that things like this will be published because the publisher is

Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/15/11 2:11 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: If you think that's good, try this! http://graph.facebook.com/kidehen?metadata=1 Yes, we did a while back when making the Facebook sponger cartridge :-) BTW - Visit uriburner.com and then click on the FB button. I don't use FB as avidly as Aldo, so

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/15/11 4:27 PM, Danny Ayers wrote: On 13 June 2011 07:52, Pat Hayespha...@ihmc.us wrote: OK, I am now completely and utterly lost. I have no idea what you are saying or how any of it is relevant to the http-range-14 issue. Want to try running it past me again? Bear in mind that I do not

Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/15/11 2:14 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: Chatted with Joe and Nathan about this some time back. I think there as an argument that said you can get away with not using the #this ... ill try and dig up the notes if you would like a pointer Not in my data space re. Facebook URLs :-)

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle

2011-06-15 Thread Danny Ayers
Awesome rant Richard! I think this bit would work better live : I want to tell the publishers of these web pages that they could join the web of data just by adding a few @rels to some as, and a few @properties to some spans, and a few @typeofs to some divs (or @itemtypes and @itemprops).

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle

2011-06-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On 14 June 2011 10:49, Richard Cyganiak rich...@cyganiak.de wrote: On 13 Jun 2011, at 20:51, David Booth wrote: http://richard.cyganiak.de/    a foaf:Document;    dc:title Richard Cyganiak's homepage;    a foaf:Person;    foaf:name Richard Cyganiak;    owl:sameAs http://twitter.com/cygri;  

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Pat Hayes
On Jun 15, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jason Borro wrote: I agree with your sentiments Danny, fwiw. The current scheme is a burden on publishers for the sake of a handful of applications that wish to refer to these information resources themselves, making them unable to talk about Web pages using

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On 15 June 2011 18:30, Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote: Boy, that is a humdinger of a non-sequiteur. Given that HTTP has flexibility, it is OK to identify a description of a thing with the actual thing? To me that sounds like saying, given that movies are projected, it is OK to say that

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Danny Ayers
On 16 June 2011 02:26, Pat Hayes pha...@ihmc.us wrote: If you agree with Danny that a description can be a substitute for the thing it describes, then I am waiting to hear how one of you will re-write classical model theory to accommodate this classical use/mention error. You might want to

Re: Using Facebook Data Objects to illuminate Linked Data add-on re. structured data

2011-06-15 Thread Joe Presbrey
...reviewing my Facebook acl:agent in my personal WACL: http://presbrey.data.fm/.meta#me http://uriburner.com/describe/?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fpresbrey.data.fm%2F.meta%23me seems to beg Facebook Graph sponger ;) Adding hash keys do not exist (and/or aren't supported) at upstream sources,

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-15 Thread Alan Ruttenberg
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Jason Borro ja...@openguid.net wrote: Good luck preserving your mental model if you require webmasters to spell Korzybski. This is an odd comment. It's like saying good luck preserving your model of TCP if you require network developers to know where Postel