Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Danny Ayers
Point taken Pat but I have been in the same ring as you for many years, but to progress the Web can't we just take our hands off the wheel, let it go where it wants. (Not that I have any influence, and realistically you neither Pat). I'm now just back from a sabbatical, but right now would

OWL ontology database

2011-06-19 Thread Aliabbas Petiwala
we are looking forward to make an OWL ontology database as a mirror of a relational database for an upcoming social network semantic website is it a good decision to make? actually we can go for three options: 1. complete owl database, no relational db 2. owl mirror of relational db 3. only

Semantic Web Developers needed

2011-06-19 Thread Margaret Warren
Semantic Web Developers needed We are looking to hire one or more developers to work on a set of software tools for describing images using RDFa. We have a beta version near an early release and need developers to add to our team. We are looking for the following skills: Java, GWT, JSP, MySQL,

owl databases

2011-06-19 Thread Aliabbas Petiwala
we are looking forward to make an OWL ontology database as a mirror of a relational database for an upcoming social network semantic website is it a good decision to make? actually we can go for three options: 1. complete owl database, no relational db 2. owl mirror of relational db 3. only

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 19 Jun 2011, at 06:05, Pat Hayes wrote: Really (sorry to keep raining on the parade, but) it is not as simple as this. Look, it is indeed easy to not bother distinguishing male from female dogs. One simply talks of dogs without mentioning gender, and there is a lot that can be said

Help needed: *brief* online poll about blank nodes

2011-06-19 Thread Alejandro Mallea
Dear colleagues, We're conducting some research into the current use of blank nodes in Linked Data publishing, and we need your help. We would like to get a general impression of the intent of publishers when using blank-nodes in their RDF data. Along these lines, we drafted a short survey

Semantic Web Developers needed

2011-06-19 Thread Margaret Warren
Semantic Web Developers needed We are looking to hire one or more developers to work on a set of software tools for describing images using RDFa. We have a beta version near an early release and need developers to add to our team. We are looking for the following skills: Java, GWT, JSP,

Help needed: *brief* online poll about blank nodes

2011-06-19 Thread Alejandro Mallea
Dear colleagues, We're conducting some research into the current use of blank nodes in Linked Data publishing, and we need your help. We would like to get a general impression of the intent of publishers when using blank-nodes in their RDF data. Along these lines, we drafted a short survey

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/11 7:43 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: Point taken Pat but I have been in the same ring as you for many years, but to progress the Web can't we just take our hands off the wheel, let it go where it wants. (Not that I have any influence, and realistically you neither Pat). I'm now just back

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Dave Reynolds
Hi Hugh, By the way, as is well-known I think, a lot of people use and therefore must be happy with URIs that are not Range-14 compliant, such as http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema . Your general point that there is non-compliant data out there that people are still able to make use of is

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 19 Jun 2011, at 13:05, Hugh Glaser wrote: A step too far? Hi. I've sort of been waiting for someone to say: I have a system that consumes RDF from the world out there (eg dbpedia), and it would break and be unfixable if the sources didn't do 303 or #. Plenty of people saying they

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/11 12:05 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: A step too far? Hi. I've sort of been waiting for someone to say: I have a system that consumes RDF from the world out there (eg dbpedia), and it would break and be unfixable if the sources didn't do 303 or #. Plenty of people saying they can't express

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 19 Jun 2011, at 14:04, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Er. we use it :-) The problem with this whole Linked Data thing is that its truly Ninja tech. The killer conductor of value is the LINK. This lethal weapon applies to all dimensions of the Web: 1. Information Space 2. Data Space 3.

Re: owl databases

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/18/11 6:58 AM, Aliabbas Petiwala wrote: we are looking forward to make an OWL ontology database as a mirror of a relational database for an upcoming social network semantic website is it a good decision to make? actually we can go for three options: 1. complete owl database, no

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Hugh Glaser
Thanks Henry. Just to be clear on one point: On 19 Jun 2011, at 12:44, Henry Story wrote: snip / When we help people publish, it really is tough to engage them long enough to care about the complex issues, and they often get it wrong - I am engaged with quite a few people who are now

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 12 Jun 2011, at 14:40, Danny Ayers wrote: [snip] Aside from containing a different bunch of bits because of the encoding, sasha-photo.jpg could be a lossy-compressed version of sasha-photo.gif, containing less pixel information yet sharing many characteristics. All ok so far..? If

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Hugh Glaser
On 19 Jun 2011, at 13:04, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 6/19/11 12:05 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: A step too far? Hi. I've sort of been waiting for someone to say: I have a system that consumes RDF from the world out there (eg dbpedia), and it would break and be unfixable if the sources didn't

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Giovanni Tummarello
particular confusion is so destructive. Unlike the dogs-vs-bitches case, the difference between the document and its topic, the thing, is that one is ABOUT the other. This is not simply a matter of ignoring some Could it be exactly the other way around? that documents and things described in

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Nathan
Nathan wrote: Henry Story wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: but dont be surprised as less and less people will be willing to listen as more and more applications (Eg.. all the stuff based on schema.org) pop up never knowing there was this problem... (not in

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
Absolutely, Pat. Well said. This is really important. Can we please stop the madness of confusing things with documents about them and do what we want to do cleanly and in an efficient way. Tim On 2011-06 -19, at 00:05, Pat Hayes wrote: Really (sorry to keep raining on the parade, but) it is

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: but dont be surprised as less and less people will be willing to listen as more and more applications (Eg.. all the stuff based on schema.org) pop up never knowing there was this problem... (not in general. of course there is in

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:58, Nathan wrote: Nathan wrote: Henry Story wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: but dont be surprised as less and less people will be willing to listen as more and more applications (Eg.. all the stuff based on schema.org) pop up never

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Danny Ayers
On 19 June 2011 12:37, Henry Story henry.st...@bblfish.net wrote: [snip pat] The way to do this is to build applications where this thing matters. So for example in the social web we could build a slightly more evolved like protocol/ontology, which would be decentralised for one, but would

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Henry Story
On 19 Jun 2011, at 19:44, Danny Ayers wrote: I am of the view that this has been discussed to death, and that any mailing list that discusses this is short of real things to do. I confess to talking bollocks when I should be coding. yeah, me too. Though now you folks managed to get me

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Danny Ayers
I thought forever that if we see iniquities we are duty-bound to stand in the way. But that don't seem to change anything. Let the crap rain forth, if you really need to make sense of it the blokes on this list will do it. Activity is GOOD, no matter how idiotic. Decisions made on very

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Danny Ayers
Only personal Henry, but have you tried the Myers-Briggs thing - I think you used to be classic INTP/INTF - but once you got WebID in your sails it's very different. These things don't really allow for change. Only slightly off-topic, very relevant here, need to pin down WebID in a sense my dogs

Re: Fwd: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Nathan
Danny Ayers wrote: I feel very guilty being in threads like this. Shit fuck smarter people than me. Just minor, and I can hardly talk as I swear most often in different settings, but I am a little surprised to see this language around here. I quite like having an arena where these words

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/11 1:39 PM, Henry Story wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 14:04, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Er. we use it :-) The problem with this whole Linked Data thing is that its truly Ninja tech. The killer conductor of value is the LINK. This lethal weapon applies to all dimensions of the Web: 1.

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/11 2:26 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 13:04, Kingsley Idehen wrote: On 6/19/11 12:05 PM, Hugh Glaser wrote: A step too far? Hi. I've sort of been waiting for someone to say: I have a system that consumes RDF from the world out there (eg dbpedia), and it would break and

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/11 5:56 PM, Nathan wrote: Henry Story wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: but dont be surprised as less and less people will be willing to listen as more and more applications (Eg.. all the stuff based on schema.org) pop up never knowing there was this

Re: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 6/19/11 6:36 PM, Henry Story wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:58, Nathan wrote: Nathan wrote: Henry Story wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 18:27, Giovanni Tummarello wrote: but dont be surprised as less and less people will be willing to listen as more and more applications (Eg.. all the stuff

Re: Self-star Systems (was: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...] )

2011-06-19 Thread David Wood
+1 to Netlogo! Regards, Dave On Jun 19, 2011, at 18:52, John Erickson wrote: Henry Story asked... Perhaps a more scientific way to express this is within the language of self-organising systems. There is a lot of research there which is relevant to us.

Re: WebID and pets -- was: Squaring the HTTP-range-14 circle [was Re: Schema.org in RDF ...]

2011-06-19 Thread Melvin Carvalho
On 19 June 2011 20:42, Henry Story henry.st...@bblfish.net wrote: On 19 Jun 2011, at 20:15, Danny Ayers wrote: Only personal Henry, but have you tried the Myers-Briggs thing - I think you used to be classic INTP/INTF - but once you got WebID in your sails it's very different. These things