Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-29 Thread David Booth
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 11:55 +0900, トーレ エリクソン wrote: [ . . . ] If we agree that _:a a rdfs:Class; rdfs:comment the set of things which can have their representations retrieved via HTTP; owl:equivalentClass rdfs:Resource. the interface between the web and the

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Nathan
Jeni Tennison wrote: # Details In section 4.1, in place of the second paragraph and following list, substitute: There are three ways to locate a URI documentation link in an HTTP response: * using the Location: response header of a 303 See Other response [httpbis-2], e.g.

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Nathan
Nathan wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: # Details In section 4.1, in place of the second paragraph and following list, substitute: There are three ways to locate a URI documentation link in an HTTP response: * using the Location: response header of a 303 See Other response [httpbis-2],

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
Nathan, Yes, that's correct. With no constraining Accept headers, it could alternatively return HTML with embedded RDFa with a link rel=describedby element, for example. Either way, there is no implication that what you've got from http://example.org/uri is the content of

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Nathan
Jeni Tennison wrote: Nathan, Yes, that's correct. With no constraining Accept headers, it could alternatively return HTML with embedded RDFa with a link rel=describedby element, for example. Is that universally true? Suppose /uri identified a PDF formatted ebook, or a digital image of a

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
Nathan, On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:07, Nathan wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: Yes, that's correct. With no constraining Accept headers, it could alternatively return HTML with embedded RDFa with a link rel=describedby element, for example. Is that universally true? Suppose /uri identified a

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Nathan
Jeni Tennison wrote: Nathan, On 28 Mar 2012, at 16:07, Nathan wrote: Jeni Tennison wrote: Yes, that's correct. With no constraining Accept headers, it could alternatively return HTML with embedded RDFa with a link rel=describedby element, for example. Is that universally true? Suppose /uri

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Kingsley Idehen
On 3/28/12 12:12 PM, Jeni Tennison wrote: The fact that a 200 OK determines whether something is a member of Set-A or Set-B is a design choice made by httpRange-14, not a fundamental truth of the universe. The proposal makes a different design choice, in saying that you need more than just a

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Jeni Tennison
Nathan, The server *can* return the same content from the /uri URI and from the /uri-documentation URI, but it does not have to, and it wouldn't be sensible to do so for an image. Your first question asked if the server could return the same content, your second asked if it must. Jeni -- Sent

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread Nathan
Jeni, First, thanks for confirming - many responses in line from here: Jeni Tennison wrote: The server *can* return the same content from the /uri URI and from the /uri-documentation URI, but it does not have to, and it wouldn't be sensible to do so for an image. Your first question asked if

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-28 Thread トーレ エリクソン
Apologies but I have to disagree completely here, I can say I'm a goldfish but I have the properties of a human and belong in the Set of Humans, no matter how much I say, I'm never going to be a goldfish - there's no design choice there, similarly if something a representation of

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-27 Thread Richard Light
Thus far the posts on this subject (at least, those I have taken the time to scan/read) concentrate on the issue from the publisher's perspective. Is there a description anywhere of how this change will impact on clients for this data? For example, in order to be able to access Linked Data

httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
Hi, Please find below a Change Proposal for the consideration of the TAG in response to [1] on behalf of (alphabetically): Ian Davis Leigh Dodds Nick Gibbins (University of Southampton) Hugh Glaser Steve Harris Masahide Kanzaki Gregg Kellogg Niklas Lindström Jerry Persons Dave Reynolds Bill

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
Noah, On 25 Mar 2012, at 19:39, Noah Mendelsohn wrote: (commenting now as a technical contributor to the TAG) On 3/25/2012 5:47 AM, Jeni Tennison wrote: a 200 response to a probe URI no longer by itself implies that the probe URI identifies an information resource or that the response is a

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
On 2012-03 -25, at 14:39, Noah Mendelsohn wrote: (commenting now as a technical contributor to the TAG) On 3/25/2012 5:47 AM, Jeni Tennison wrote: a 200 response to a probe URI no longer by itself implies that the probe URI identifies an information resource or that the response is a

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Noah Mendelsohn
On 3/25/2012 3:29 PM, Jeni Tennison wrote: I assume it's the most common case, but my reading of 303 is that it's intentionally pretty vague. I read it as: you might find something useful over here -- feel free to do a GET and see what happens. In fact, I'm not sure it's even clear that 303

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Noah Mendelsohn
On 3/25/2012 3:37 PM, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: x 303 - y means y is a description of x and therefore y is an information resource. My point is: that's a perfectly coherent definition for 303 in principle, but I don't read RFC 2616 as saying that. I read RFC 2616 as saying, If you were

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jonathan A Rees
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Noah Mendelsohn n...@arcanedomain.com wrote: On 3/25/2012 3:29 PM, Jeni Tennison wrote: I assume it's the most common case, but my reading of 303 is that it's intentionally pretty vague. I read it as: you might find something useful over here -- feel free to

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Noah Mendelsohn
On 3/25/2012 5:15 PM, Jonathan A Rees wrote: The baseline starts from HTTPbis, not 2616. OK. I have confidence in HTTPbis. It is the wave of the future. Yes, but I'm suggesting that the definition of 303 in HTTPbis should (maybe) clarify, but not incompatibly change the definition from

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Jeni Tennison
Noah, As far as I can tell, the latest version of the relevant part of RFC2616bis is at [1] and contains the definition for 303 that is: --- 7.3.4 303 See Other The 303 status code indicates that the server is redirecting the user agent to a different resource, as indicated by a URI in the

Re: httpRange-14 Change Proposal

2012-03-25 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
On 2012-03 -25, at 16:53, Noah Mendelsohn wrote: On 3/25/2012 3:37 PM, Tim Berners-Lee wrote: x 303 - y means y is a description of x and therefore y is an information resource. My point is: that's a perfectly coherent definition for 303 in principle, but I don't read RFC 2616 as