On 27 Mar 2012, at 06:45, Pat Hayes wrote:
On Mar 26, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
The SWAP project, CWM has that built in -- the URI of the document
something was read from is kept in the quad store as provenance
for every triple read in.
OK, but that does not mean that
Thus far the posts on this subject (at least, those I have taken the
time to scan/read) concentrate on the issue from the publisher's
perspective. Is there a description anywhere of how this change will
impact on clients for this data?
For example, in order to be able to access Linked Data
Gannon, hi.
I am adding GLD to the list of recipients, as this is relevant
to ISSUE-26.
There is a balance to be achieved here between the utility of closed
sets where all instances of the can safely assumed to be universally
understood and the open nature of both the world and the Semantic Web.
Hello Tim,
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 04:59:42PM -0400, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
12) Still people say well, to know whether I use 200 or 303 I need to know
if this sucker is an IR or NIR when instead they should be saying Well, am
I going to serve the content of this sucker or information about
This seems an appropriate place for me to drop in my 2 cents.
I like the 303 trick. People that care about this stuff can use it
(and appear to be doing so), but it doesn't really matter too much
that people that don't care don't use it. It seems analogous to the
question of HTML validity. Best
On 3/27/12 7:59 AM, Danny Ayers wrote:
This seems an appropriate place for me to drop in my 2 cents.
I like the 303 trick. People that care about this stuff can use it
(and appear to be doing so), but it doesn't really matter too much
that people that don't care don't use it. It seems analogous
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de wrote:
Hello Tim,
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 04:59:42PM -0400, Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
12) Still people say well, to know whether I use 200 or 303 I need to know
if this sucker is an IR or NIR when instead they should be
On 26 Mar 2012, at 20:13, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
TimBL's Linked Data meme isn't about sharing, solely. What about whole
data representation and the URI de-reference requirements?
Ditto unambiguous URI based naming etc..
Hi Kingsley
I note that you are now (as far as I can see) ensuring
+1. The 308 status code does fill a necessary gap without requiring a change
to the nature of the 303.
Not all objections to the http-range-14 solution involve the lack of
cacheability, however. Many people are simply concerned for the extra HTTP
request needed to find a resource.
*** Apologies for multiple copies due to cross-posting ***
** Please forward to anyone who might be interested **
Call for Papers
German Workshop on Knowledge and Experience Management (WM-2012)
At the workshop week LWA-2012 held
On 3/27/12 9:02 AM, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
A prime example is any DOI,
e.g.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000462
(try doing conneg for RDF).
I don't always have to seek or need RDF. I just need structured data. I
can make Linked Data from non RDF resources.
See:
1.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:32 AM, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
On 3/27/12 9:02 AM, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
A prime example is any DOI,
e.g.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000462
(try doing conneg for RDF).
I don't always have to seek or need RDF. I just need
On 3/27/12 9:21 AM, Hugh Glaser wrote:
On 26 Mar 2012, at 20:13, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
TimBL's Linked Data meme isn't about sharing, solely. What about whole data
representation and the URI de-reference requirements?
Ditto unambiguous URI based naming etc..
Hi Kingsley
I note that you are
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, James Leigh ja...@3roundstones.com wrote:
Could this 308 (Permanent Redirect) give us a way to cache a probe URI's
definition document location?
An issue people have with httpRange-14 is that 303 redirects can't be
cached. If we could agree to use a 308
Well foo, I can't find it in the errata list, I take that back. But it
is fixed in HTTPbis.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p2-semantics-19#section-7.3.4
Jonathan
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan A Rees r...@mumble.net wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 9:15 PM, James Leigh
On 3/27/12 9:02 AM, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
Maybe the TAG or someone has to make a
statement admitting that the way httpRange-14(a) was phrased was a big
screwup, that the real issue is content vs. description, not a type
distinction.
It should!
--
Regards,
Kingsley Idehen
Founder CEO
Hello Jonathan,
so let the question be did I GET what the URI denotes and let httprange14
be 200 - yes, 303 - no.
Let another question be can this URI be used with document annotation
properties (or: Is this URI an IR) ? From 200 a statuscode, I can infer that
the URI can be used with document
On 26/03/2012 17:13, Tom Heath tom.he...@talis.com wrote:
Hi Jeni,
On 26 March 2012 16:47, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote:
Tom,
On 26 Mar 2012, at 16:05, Tom Heath wrote:
On 23 March 2012 15:35, Steve Harris steve.har...@garlik.com wrote:
I'm sure many people are just
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Michael Brunnbauer
bru...@netestate.de wrote:
Hello Jonathan,
so let the question be did I GET what the URI denotes and let httprange14
be 200 - yes, 303 - no.
Basically yes, although you have to be careful preserve the
generic/specific (or
Dan,
Yes - exactly. You don't have to, and probably couldn't, adopt Indecs or
CIDOC-CRM for the Web Architecture.
However, there is significant convergence here, and it points to some simple
underlying, shared concepts that have been proved enough times, and in enough
wildly different
Hello,
I am new to Semantics and I would like to know if SPARQL or some other
query language/engine supports some kind of similarity metric for a given
query.
For example, a metric could be the path length between the two objects I
am trying to find their similarity, e.g. path_lenght =
Hi Dan, Giovanni,
Thank you for this dialogue - I've been following this thread (or trying to!)
for some days now and wondering where is the data model in all this?.
At the point where Quite different notions of IR are bouncing around... would
it not make sense to focus on the fact that there
On 3/27/12 11:17 AM, Michael Smethurst wrote:
No sane publisher trying to handle a decent amount of traffic is gonna
follow the dbpedia pattern of doing it in one step (conneg to 303) and
picking up 2 server hits per request. I've said here before that the dbpedia
publishing pattern is an
Yep, Hugh, no criticism was intended. My point was given in closing: We are
seeing a lot of different constituencies using Linked Data techniques (URI
naming, RDF representation for interchange, etc) for very different purposes
(e.g. LOD, enterprise application integration, enterprise
On 27/03/2012 16:53, Kingsley Idehen kide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
On 3/27/12 11:17 AM, Michael Smethurst wrote:
No sane publisher trying to handle a decent amount of traffic is gonna
follow the dbpedia pattern of doing it in one step (conneg to 303) and
picking up 2 server hits per
On 3/27/12 12:35 PM, Michael Smethurst wrote:
On 27/03/2012 16:53, Kingsley Idehenkide...@openlinksw.com wrote:
On 3/27/12 11:17 AM, Michael Smethurst wrote:
No sane publisher trying to handle a decent amount of traffic is gonna
follow the dbpedia pattern of doing it in one step (conneg to
Hi Tom,
On 26 Mar 2012, at 17:13, Tom Heath wrote:
On 26 March 2012 16:47, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote:
Tom,
On 26 Mar 2012, at 16:05, Tom Heath wrote:
On 23 March 2012 15:35, Steve Harris steve.har...@garlik.com wrote:
I'm sure many people are just deeply bored of this
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan A Rees r...@mumble.net wrote:
...
There is a difference, since what is described could be an IR that
does not have the description as content. A prime example is any DOI,
e.g.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pcbi.1000462
(try doing conneg
Hi James,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:15 AM, James Leigh ja...@3roundstones.com wrote:
Could this 308 (Permanent Redirect) give us a way to cache a probe URI's
definition document location?
An issue people have with httpRange-14 is that 303 redirects can't be
cached. If we could agree to use a
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 19:23 +0100, Leigh Dodds wrote:
Hi James,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:15 AM, James Leigh ja...@3roundstones.com wrote:
Could this 308 (Permanent Redirect) give us a way to cache a probe URI's
definition document location?
An issue people have with httpRange-14 is
On 27 March 2012 19:54, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
On 26 Mar 2012, at 17:13, Tom Heath wrote:
On 26 March 2012 16:47, Jeni Tennison j...@jenitennison.com wrote:
Tom,
On 26 Mar 2012, at 16:05, Tom Heath wrote:
On 23 March 2012 15:35, Steve Harris
Hi all,
Maybe we've been going about this backward.
Most Web pages aren't about anything other than their contents. They are
IRs, in the old terminology that we daren't use anymore :) Some Web pages are
representative of other things, like Danny's dog or a person or an
organization. For
Tom if you were to do a serious assessment then measuring milliseconds
and redirect hits means looking at a misleading 10% of the problem.
Cognitive loads,economics and perception of benefits are the over the
90% of the question here.
An assessment that could begin describing the issue
* get a
On 3/27/12 3:23 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
curl --trace-time -v http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1985/67/contents
and it showed the result coming back in 59ms.
When someone uses the identifier URI for the abstract concept of an
item of legislation, there's no caching so the request goes
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Leigh Dodds le...@ldodds.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan A Rees r...@mumble.net wrote:
...
There is a difference, since what is described could be an IR that
does not have the description as content. A prime example is any DOI,
e.g.
On 3/27/12 4:01 PM, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:
Tom if you were to do a serious assessment then measuring milliseconds
and redirect hits means looking at a misleading 10% of the problem.
Cognitive loads,economics and perception of benefits are the over the
90% of the question here.
An
On 3/27/12 3:39 PM, David Wood wrote:
Hi all,
Maybe we've been going about this backward.
Most Web pages aren't about anything other than their contents.
Correct!
They bear content that at best (in most cases) mention things in loose ways.
They are IRs, in the old terminology that we
Hi Jonathan,
On 3/27/2012 3:27 PM, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Leigh Doddsle...@ldodds.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan A Reesr...@mumble.net wrote:
...
There is a difference, since what is described could be an IR that
does not have the
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Mike Bergman m...@mkbergman.com wrote:
Hi Jonathan,
On 3/27/2012 3:27 PM, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Leigh Doddsle...@ldodds.com wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Jonathan A Reesr...@mumble.net wrote:
...
There
Jonathan,
On 27 Mar 2012, at 14:02, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de
wrote:
This whole information resource thing needs to just go away. I can't
believe how many people come back to it after the mistake has been
pointed out so
Comments below
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On 2012-03 -27, at 16:17, Michael Smethurst wrote:
No sane publisher trying to handle a decent amount of traffic is gonna
follow the dbpedia pattern of doing it in one step (conneg to 303) and
picking up 2 server hits per request. I've said here before that the dbpedia
publishing pattern is
Hi,
Reading Jonathan's briefing note [1], particularly about the social contract,
highlighted that one of the things that's been bothering me about the
httpRange-14 design is the lack of conformance requirements for applications
that consume data from the web.
Whatever decisions are made
Hi all,
On Mar 27, 2012, at 18:01, Jeni Tennison wrote:
Jonathan,
On 27 Mar 2012, at 14:02, Jonathan A Rees wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Michael Brunnbauer bru...@netestate.de
wrote:
This whole information resource thing needs to just go away. I can't
believe how many people
As someone who has often commented publicly (and negatively) on matters
of semWeb semantics and httpRange-14, I feel I have an obligation to
offer comment publicly on the various change proposals being put forward
[1].
Despite everyone's acknowledged fatigue about this issue, I think
On Mar 26, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Bernard Vatant wrote:
All
Like many others it seems, I had sworn to myself : nevermore HttpRange-14,
but I will also bite the bullet.
Hi Bernard
Here goes ... Sorry I've hard time to follow-up with whom said what with all
those entangled threads, so I
On 27 March 2012 20:23, Melvin Carvalho melvincarva...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm curious as to why this is difficult to explain. Especially since I also
have difficulties explaining the benefits of linked data. However, normally
the road block I hit is explaining why URIs are important.
Alice:
Dan,
Excellent read! When will you finish the book? I'm dying to know whether
Alice and Bob will put up their thesaurus in the end.
Tore
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