Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-24 Thread Danny Ayers
Hi Nathan, A good question, the way it gets answered as far as I can see depends on what you're after. Glad to see you're thinking linked data. But people really do try to overthink it when it comes to ontologies, in my opinion: ideally the best ontologies/vocabs will win - - rubbish. The

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-23 Thread Paul Houle
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Nathan nat...@webr3.org wrote: I'm finding the path to entry in to the linked open data world rather difficult and confusing, and only for one specific reason - ontologies; it /feels/ like there are some kind of ontology wars going on and I can never get a

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Hepp (UniBW)
There are lots of trade-offs when designing an ontology, e.g. specificity vs. size of the target user community - this has e.g. been discussed in Hepp, Martin: Possible Ontologies: How Reality Constrains the Development of Relevant Ontologies, in: IEEE Internet Computing, Vol. 11, No. 1, pp.

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-20 Thread François Scharffe
Hi ! Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: [...] I think we need a Wiki, where people will post what their problem were, what data they needed, what data they had, which ontologies they needed, and what they did to meet these needs. Eventually, this will evolve into a reference site with best practices

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-20 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
On Friday 20. November 2009 09:37:42 François Scharffe wrote: Eventually, this will evolve into a reference site with best practices for each problem newcomers present, and provide a launchpad for ventures beyond what's there with minimal cost. Sounds like www.ontologydesignpatterns.org

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-20 Thread Kurt J
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Kjetil Kjernsmo kje...@kjernsmo.net wrote: On Friday 20. November 2009 09:37:42 François Scharffe wrote: Eventually, this will evolve into a reference site with best practices for  each problem newcomers present, and provide a launchpad for ventures beyond

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-20 Thread François Scharffe
Hi Kjetil, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: On Friday 20. November 2009 09:37:42 François Scharffe wrote: Eventually, this will evolve into a reference site with best practices for each problem newcomers present, and provide a launchpad for ventures beyond what's there with minimal cost. Sounds like

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-19 Thread Adrian Walker
Hi Nathan -- You may be interested in the following short paper about a system that 'puts it all together'. www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Business_Rules_in_Open_Vocabulary_Executable_English.pdf The system is online at the same site, and shared use is free. Apologies if you have seen

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-19 Thread Kjetil Kjernsmo
All, I think Nathan is raising an important problem: How can the average newcomer figure out what to use when there are so many options that it hard to discern? On Wednesday 18. November 2009 20:54:58 Bill Roberts wrote: I think an attempt at standardisation on the one 'true' set of

Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-18 Thread Nathan
Hi All, Many thanks so far for the invaluable input I've been getting from the community; I may be about to commit the cardinal sin here, but I'm a bit concerned and only saying this with the best intentions. Before I start, if I can be considered an early adopter then please do disregard the

Re: [pedantic-web] Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-18 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Nathan wrote: Hi All, Many thanks so far for the invaluable input I've been getting from the community; I may be about to commit the cardinal sin here, but I'm a bit concerned and only saying this with the best intentions. Before I start, if I can be considered an early adopter then please do

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Roberts
Hi Nathan I think you have to try harder than that to cause offence! I think an attempt at standardisation on the one 'true' set of ontologies is futile, not scalable and ultimately a dead end. However, using suitable existing ontologies in a sensible way leads to a kind of lingua franca

Re: [pedantic-web] Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-18 Thread Nathan
Kingsley Idehen wrote: Nathan wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something, but the primary focus for me is to use ontologies that people will be using in SPARQL (or alternative language) queries. Anything else appears to be a waste of time. Multiple properties in multiple languages that appear to

Re: Ontology Wars? Concerned

2009-11-18 Thread Nathan
Bill Roberts wrote: Hi Nathan I think you have to try harder than that to cause offence! I think an attempt at standardisation on the one 'true' set of ontologies is futile, not scalable and ultimately a dead end. However, using suitable existing ontologies in a sensible way leads to a