Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-23 Thread Andraz Tori
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 12:37 +0100, Pierre-Antoine Champin wrote: Le 18/06/2009 16:46, Alexandre Passant a écrit : I just reply to an e-mail from Toby on the topic on the commontag ml. Since the archives are not yet public, let-me repost my point about the mappings here. A Tag in common

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-18 Thread Danny Ayers
2009/6/18 Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com: - The date seems to me a very important piece of information, in particular if you look at tags from the vocabulary management, and/or search engines viewpoint. First, labels change more often than concepts, and second, a search engine

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-18 Thread Rob Styles
On 18 Jun 2009, at 11:48, Danny Ayers wrote: 2009/6/18 Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com: - The date seems to me a very important piece of information, in particular if you look at tags from the vocabulary management, and/or search engines viewpoint. First, labels change more often

Re: Common Tag, FOAF and Dublin Core Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-18 Thread Dan Brickley
On 18/6/09 13:31, Bernard Vatant wrote: Rob, Danny (and Dan) ... why not use simply dc:creator and dc:date to this effect? Right. dc:date would seem a good choice, though I reckon foaf:maker might be a better option than dc:creator as the object is a resource (a foaf:Agent) rather than a

Re: Common Tag, FOAF and Dublin Core Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-18 Thread Dan Brickley
On 18/6/09 15:07, Thomas Baker wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 01:49:56PM +0200, Dan Brickley wrote: Well I actually meant dcterms:creator when I wrote dc:creator, sorry. So you can link your personal tags to your foaf profile, for example. And it's consistent even for tag:AutoTag, since the

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-18 Thread Alexandre Passant
Hi all, Le 18 juin 09 à 03:48, Danny Ayers a écrit : 2009/6/18 Bernard Vatant bernard.vat...@mondeca.com: - The date seems to me a very important piece of information, in particular if you look at tags from the vocabulary management, and/or search engines viewpoint. First, labels change

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-13 Thread Andraz Tori
Hi Francsois others, I really like the turn this debate has taken! Practical considerations about what is useful and what not! Going with Common Tag standard through many iterations, I think I can explain some choices taken. First, we were aware of other existing possibilities for semantic

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Yves Raimond
Hello! On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Danny Ayersdanny.ay...@gmail.com wrote: Really good to see this work! May be nothing, but...it appears the tagging date is associated with the tag. I assume most systems would want to infer that tags with the same meaning were equivalent (even though

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Toby Inkster
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 12:15 +0200, Peter Mika wrote: Indeed, you cannot do this merging: a ctag:Tag refers to the tagging event. So the concepts they refer to (ctag:means) might be the same, the Tags are not. Then http://commontag.org/mapping is wrong. It states: ctag:Tag

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Toby Inkster
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 11:47 +0100, Toby Inkster wrote: In essence it seems ctag:Tag is a sort of hybrid between tag:Tagging and tag:Tag. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but it does mean that your mappings to Richard Newman's tag ontology are probably never going to work especially

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread François Dongier
Peter, maybe you could explain why you guys found it useful to date tagging events in the first place. I suppose the point of it might be that it could provide some context? If so, the date is only one aspect of the context and probably not the richest one. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Danny

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Peter Mika
Maybe others can comment as well, but I do think it's an important piece of information, e.g. to determine recently popular tags. Cheers, Peter François Dongier wrote: Peter, maybe you could explain why you guys found it useful to date tagging events in the first place. I suppose the point of

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Toby Inkster
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 10:31 -0400, Valeska Oleary wrote: It’s hard to comment without understanding the use cases and scenarios, but high level speaking I’m inclined to think date is a valuable piece of information to most publishers. I imagine the date of publication of an article, plus dates

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread François Dongier
2009/6/12 Peter Mika pm...@yahoo-inc.com Maybe others can comment as well, but I do think it's [taggingDate] an important piece of information, e.g. to determine recently popular tags. In my very humble opinion, **who** tagged a resource with ctag T at time t could also be a very useful

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Jamie Taylor
Francois - Agree - I think knowing who created a tag is an important annotation. The thought was that you could mix in another vocabulary's property like foaf:maker for things like that. Common Tag is simply a small skeleton for representing the basic Tag structure. The hope was people

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-12 Thread Giovanni Tummarello
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Toby Inkstert...@g5n.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 01:33 +0200, Andraz Tori wrote: also to note is that there exist proper mappings to other efforts at tagging ontologies: http://commontag.org/mappings The question is though, will Search Monkey, Sindice,

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-11 Thread Kingsley Idehen
Andraz Tori wrote: Hi guys, today, a small consortium of web companies and one institute (AdaptiveBlue, DERI (NUI Galway), Faviki, Freebase, Yahoo!, Zemanta, and Zigtag) released a format specifying expression of semantic tags so our tools will understand/publish them. http://commontag.org It

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-11 Thread Andraz Tori
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 16:39 -0400, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Can you point me to a live example of a Tag with a de-referencable HTTP URI? I need that to comment :-) http://blog.commontag.org Extraction:

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-11 Thread Ian Davis
Congratulations! This looks really good On Thursday, June 11, 2009, Andraz Tori and...@zemanta.com wrote: Hi guys, today, a small consortium of web companies and one institute (AdaptiveBlue, DERI (NUI Galway), Faviki, Freebase, Yahoo!, Zemanta, and Zigtag) released a format specifying

Re: Common Tag - semantic tagging convention

2009-06-11 Thread Andraz Tori
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 16:39 -0400, Kingsley Idehen wrote: Can you point me to a live example of a Tag with a de-referencable HTTP URI? I need that to comment :-) Ok, now ZigTag now works correctly also [they fixed it fast!] http://zigtag.com/tag/Web%20Design/1570830 Extraction: