at this point you're just
asking for ways to deal with this in Python.
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Jonathan Vanasco
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those work at runtime , but I'm trying to define something on the app
init
e.g.
lib/constants.py
Do you mean a JSON web API? If so , sounds like you're talking about
a Service Oriented Architecture.
To be honest, the *easiest* JSON APIs i've ever written were in Pylons/
Pyramid. You have full control of the request, and all you need to do
is return a dict from a view/handler that is
FWIW, I started working on this approach a few weeks ago, and have
been loving it.
I attach two Pylons-style Attribute-Safe objects onto the request at
init :
request.app_meta
request.workspace
app_meta contains stuff like is the user logged in? , timestamp /
datetimes for the request,
those work at runtime , but I'm trying to define something on the app
init
e.g.
lib/constants.py
if PRODUCTION_MACHINE :
VAR_1 = '123'
VAR_2 = '123'
elif DEV_MACHINE :
VAR_1 = '456'
VAR_2 = '456'
this is, of course, an
99% of my per-environment setups are handled in the .ini file, and
available via the registry stash
I have a few 'variables' that I need defined within a package scope,
as I'm not going to have a request or event object handy. I put
variables in quotes, because they're more like constants in
I'm using pyramid and SqlAlchemy, but not pyramid_tm.
If the server is down, the following exception is raised:
sqlalchemy.exc.OperationalError
I'm wondering how i can best catch this , so i can handle internal
alerts and possibly change the response.
the only thing available in a
should be populated (at least on 1.3+), so you could deal
with that in a NewResponse subscriber if necessary.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Vanasco
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I'm using pyramid and SqlAlchemy, but not pyramid_tm.
If the server is down, the following
On Mar 21, 2:11 pm, Michael Merickel mmeri...@gmail.com wrote:
The only way a NewResponse subscriber would be invoked *after* an exception
occured is if you are handling the exception in an exception view. If
that's the case, then you are rendering a new view and as part of the
rendering,
https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_exceptionstest
If you hit /hello_world it raises a ValueError.
There is no Exception View configured for ValueError.
The NewResponse subscriber catches it.
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added 11 of my packages.
On Mar 19, 4:03 pm, Michael Merickel mmeri...@gmail.com wrote:
http://pyramid.opencomparison.org/
This page has stagnated since Danny originally set it up and it would be
wonderful if it could get some love.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Mike Orr
Someone more familiar will chime in with an expanded and better
response , but I would look into these elements that I've encountered
in the past few months:
Pyramid has Event Subscribers:
http://pyramid.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api/events.html
There are also hooks
On Mar 18, 12:07 pm, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
You're probably going to want to investigate Pyramid's existing plugin
system before creating another one:
how did i miss that in the docs , but see everything else!?!?
so excited for the forthcoming updated docs.
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Depending on what Alice is - and how you plan on scaling your
application - I would either store the object in Beaker ( perhaps with
memcached ) or serialize the underlying data into a no-sql store like
Riak or Mongo.
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hey-
because almost every python package around thumbnailing images and s3
support is tied to a framework (really?!?!) i'm porting an old package
from proprietary to BSD license.
right now it's handling file handles and fieldstorage ( from
formencode ). i'd love to support the full pyramid
fyi, these were the changes i needed to make:
1. Pyramid - Enable Paste Prefix Middleware
[app:main]
filter-with = proxy-prefix
[filter:proxy-prefix]
use = egg:PasteDeploy#prefix
2. Nginx - Ensure proper headers
location / {
# Configure Proxy Pass
off the top of my head, you could use a subscriber.
you should be able to write something for NewResponse that strips
whichever cookies you want.
i wrote a package that does pretty much the exact opposite of what you
want...
https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_subscribers_cookiexfer
that
I'd like to limit certain operations to https , instead of http.
The problem is that pyramid is often behind a front-end server , which
is handling the http and https connections, and oblivious to the
protocol.
Does anyone have a good idea how to proceed ? The only thing I can
think of is to
Over the past few months, I've created about a dozen packages for use
with pyramid and decided that I might as well start cobbling together
a reference micro-application for them
So far, I've begin integrating these 8 into an example application :
* gaq_hub - centrally manages google
Hi Fabio-
I do the same thing with cookies and the general setup. I wrote a
library last week to handle encryption ( insecure_or_secure_enough ).
My concern is how to know within Pyramid if the client downstream has
connected within http or https.
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With a properly configured server you can just check request.scheme in a
predicate to determine if the request is over https.
Awesome. As always, thanks! the exact answer i needed!
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Not talking about Pyramid / WSGI layer itself...
Assuming that these are just skinning a platform for customers, I
would keep away from running each application on a separate IP and try
to handle them via virtualhosts. The rationale for this is:
1. It's easier to step repeat for new clients
2.
pyramid_subscribers_beaker_https_session
https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_subscribers_beaker_https_session
i've got it supporting two methods:
1. config.set_request_property
2. a NewRequest listener that manually sets the property
the latter option is likely to leave, but i already named it
I'm close do doing this with a middleware hack.
I looked into extending pyramid and pyramid_beaker to support a
request.session_https option. That is going to add a chunk of code -
so I should ask first... is that something worth doing ?
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the config.set_request_property sounds like it'll be *perfect*
i'll whip up a distributable based on that -- will be much better than
hacking at pyramid core!
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On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Vanasco jonat
I've got a monkeypatched version that seems to work right now
( https://gist.github.com/1983280 ). It was the most straightforward
way of compiling all the relevant pieces from Pyramid /
Pyramid_Beaker.
I say seems , because I don't have my local server setup to test
with https, it works on port
ok, mostly ported over.
https://github.com/jvanasco/insecure_but_secure_enough
i'll have it on pypi shortly - having a pain with getting the
distribution right while watching a puppy
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has anyone attempted this yet with pyramid_beaker , or a custom
implementation ?
much like the folks who asked about multiple beaker sessions under
pylons [
http://groups.google.com/group/pylons-discuss/browse_thread/thread/62fbd23305db7dcc?fwc=1
] , i'd like to have a beaker session for account
jargon.
Pyramid doesn't ship with any encryption capabilities.
b) See p.session.signed_serialize and p.session.signed_deserialize for
signing a payload.
http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/api/sess...
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Jonathan Vanasco jvana
I didn't find anything in the docs, but I figured it would be worth
asking.
I am porting over a login system from Pylons. One of the elements has
a cookie_autologin, which sets a 30day cookie if someone clicks
remember me. the contents of the cookie are a lightweight payload
+ checksum.
I
You should share the pypi and github links in the future. It makes it
easy to dive in without installing first.
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyramid_modern
https://github.com/KamiQuasi/pyramid_modern
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Crhis- thanks. i'm on that list as well. this seems to be more of an
'implementation under pyrmaid' question than about how formencode
works, which is why I asked here.
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also, thanks all.
It seems like Pipe(Int(),OneOf()) is the 'right' option, as it'll get
me the ints i want.
cd34's suggestions were dead on and way better than my sleepless hack
of string tempating !
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I don't know how to tell you to turn off the console output, either,
sorry. Have you tried reading the source code of Turbogears where it
sets up the r.who stuff? The repoze.who configuration stuff accepts a
logger; apparently TG
For debugging on a local machine, where there is a single page request
and any concurrent requests come from static elements, it works
perfectly.
I wouldn't , and didn't , suggest that for production -- which also
would also almost never have logging set to debug.
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here's an example of the method i use...
https://gist.github.com/1896363
it's tailored to using jquery, but not hard to change.
1. i set everything to have an 'rval' that will return - at the least
- an error or success note.
2. i keep everything in a versioned API . these views map to /api/
Just wanted to add to this discussion , for potential things to
address in the docs:
The security authorization/authentication stuff is a bit intense.
At first glance, it looks and reads very much like an enterprise
software type of system, with a lot of overhead. If I were building
a CMS or a
the request get/post data comes in from pyramid as unicode strings.
the values i have in the database / my code for constant on many items
are integers
let's use this as an example...
account_type_ids= (1,2,3,4,5)
other_type_ids= (1,2,3,4,5)
third_type_ids= (1,2,3,4,5)
is there a
i tend to structure applications - python, php, whatever - like this:
- I use multiple Database Handles. This is always at least a reader
and a writer. On the database level, the reader is privileged to
only select from databases, while the writer may read and write. If
the application needs a
i personally wouldn' do that, because my SqlAlchemy classes are really
just used for populating a read-only cache -- which is a dict -- and
creating/editing records.
in your case... and I'm just thinking out loud...
1. you could create an abstract class called CacheBacked, which your
has anyone built something similar to pyramid_mailer that is
compatible with sendmail ?
pyramild_mailer seems to be a light wrapper around repoze_sendmail
which, despite its name, has no support for sendmail.
i just prefer to use sendmail for development work, as it requires no
additional
thanks. i meant '/usr/bin/sendmail' as a wrapper to exim/postfix. does
anyone even use the real sendmail anymore ? ;)
I'll see if i can use it on localhost:25 . Years ago, that required a
lot of wrangling on Macs to work - you had to set up accounts and all
sorts of crap. it's probably
how long does this create?
if its longer than 'instantly', i'd move to a processing queue concept.
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i wrote a long response yesterday, and it seems it didn't post. f'ing
google.
The Pylons list is here:
http://wiki.pylonshq.com/display/pylonscommunity/Sites+Using+Pylons
For your purposes I would just talk about Pyramid being the new
versions of Pylons. There are plenty of large sites in
there are a few things that could the cause of your problems. I'll
repost on stack overflow.
Before I continue... FYI Pyramid uses WebOb to handle request and
response objects
There's an overview here: http://docs.webob.org/en/latest/reference.html
And class documentation here:
database.commit()
email.send()
except:
so I'm fine with the paradigm you're suggesting ;)
On Feb 15, 1:26 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@gedmin.as wrote:
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 03:16:00PM -0800, Jonathan Vanasco wrote
did you run `setup.py develop` ?
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congrats!
few comments.
1. it looks like you dropped pyramid_handlers -- any reason?
2. i think it would make sense to mark up demo/__init__.py more with
comments to show what is going on.
i remember having to reverse engineer some of the stuff that was
happening in the earlier akhet, and
this looks pretty neat. there are a few things I'm confused by.
Exactly how is the switch handled on templates ? What configuration
is needed on the app ?
The approaches I've seen are either:
1- Some sort of post-processesing regex
2- Prepending static files with a cdn call. i.e. img
I typically use reflection under sqlalchemy, so my apps fail to start
if there is any database issue.
I'm working with declarative on a quick project, and wanted to know if
there's a 'proper' way to ensure database connectivity on startup.
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I recently learned that pyramid_tm closes the session on a
transaction.commit()
I also learned that either transaction or pyramid_tm automatically
commits at the end of a request
I'm not comfortable with either of these behaviors, particularly the
latter
I've run into too many situations where
It's the same system virtualenv. it's just that 'using' the package
seems to work fine, but testing it fails.
c is exported in pylons , but that double assignment line seems to not
define it via an import. i guess there's some pylons bootstrap code
that needs to be run.
in any event, based on
actually, screw that. unit testing for a series of helper wrappers is
too difficult in pylons. pyramid and 'core' usage gets covered.
pylons doesn't. now i'm going to brunch!
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my tests keep failing on pylons packages. actually, i can't even run
the tests.
i've traced the error to this being in my packages:
from pylons import c
works fine in production, but not in testing
looking at pylons/__init__.py, i see this line:
tmpl_context = c =
I've done something similar in the past.
1. I suggest expanding the logic a bit- log the filename , along with
timestamp and session id
2. have a cronjob that deletes files associated with sessions that
were last used outside a given window
session cleanups within an app tend to only happen if
thanks.
i ended up writing a quick subscriber package:
https://gist.github.com/1771046
it supports two methods:
1- migrates headers into the redirect ( I opted to use .extend instead
of merge_cookies, because i already had to pull the cookie data )
2- stashes the cookies into a @cookie-xfer
i've got some debugging info on event subscribers; i'd like keep them
from running on the static elements / debug toolbar, etc
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thanks!
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i've got some debugging info on event subscribers; i'd like keep them
from running on the static elements / debug toolbar, etc
The view isn't yet found when
wanted to add to this thread:
after a lot of testing, I've noted that my 'cleanup' subscriber
solution only works if you RETURN the HTTPFound.
If you raise an HTTPFound, there's no way to catch the original
request object
it appears that event.request.response is overwritten with a new
instance
thanks eric.
that is what i'm talking about!
i've got my version working with formencode. in addition to the gist
above, i decided to just go ahead and set up
pyramid_formencode_classic on pypi and github (
https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_formencode_classic )
if i have some time this
i don't use traversal... but can't you just use an httpexception?
http://readthedocs.org/docs/pyramid/en/1.0-branch/api/httpexceptions.html
class HTTPForbidden(detail=None, headers=None, comment=None,
body_template=None, **kw)
subclass of HTTPClientError
This indicates that the
actually, the param_source should support:
GET
POST
params (GET POST)
the idiomatic example would be an email verification routine- someone
is emailed a message that contains the form submission in a GET query
string, and a formerror would return to a 'blank' form that submits
via POST -
i'm trying to emulate how pylons used subrequests to handle htmlfill
population on errors ( i'm using pyramid_handlers )
in my pylons emulation code, i have this:
def form_reprint( request, form_print_method , **htmlfill_kwargs ):
response= form_print_method()
to call it, i would do:
thanks to both.
i don't have a real subrequest going on - i'm passing in the name of
the function that I'm calling... so its more like an emulation of a
subrequest.
I think i can get this working. ill post the result.
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This was driving me crazy for a while. Finally i realized that
Pyramid doesn't send any SetCookie commands when a redirect is called,
because the HTTPFound is oblivious to the request.
It's not entirely recommended to set cookies with a redirect as not
all browsers accept them ( only Safari
Sorry, i think I was unclear:
If i do either of those methods, which i do now, requests are still
going through the WSGI server.
- I want to bypass that completely, by making the actual files of the
referenced deform library directly accessible to the frontend server
( which would be nginx or
yep, know all that.
I meant i wanted to know if anyone has automated this for production ,
as part of a pyramid/deform integration package
essentially the following:
---
myapp/__init__.py
from pyramid.events import ApplicationCreated
from pyramid.events import subscriber
the line above should actually be:
static_subdir= event.app.registry.settings['deform.static_subdir']
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small request for the next website:
could the Projects and Documentation dropdowns please include
links to the library packages
example:
Deform lists PylonsProject.com as the homepage on PyPi (
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/deform )
If you click that link , there's no mention of it - or there
you could just make it with sqlalchemy, then delete the handful of
lines . the integration is barely anything.
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Well... I could probably do these validations within the validators, I
just don't want to.
I've got the gist ( https://gist.github.com/1734244 ) working pretty
much perfectly to handle my needs right now. I dropped all the
'validators' handling, and am just limiting it to schemas -- because
its
under all the integration docs, deform ends up being set as a static
route under pyramid as /deform
i'm wondering - has anybody put together a solution that can have one
of these ( or similar ) happen during the startup/config process :
1- copy deform's /static files to app/static/deform
2-
under pylons I had a lot of code that did misc prep work for certain
methods in the request.
because every view was an instance, it was pretty safe to just store
stuff in the instance of the 'handler' class, and i didn't need to
store it into the request object.
i'm not sure how pyramid is set
great. that looks good.
I need to read up more on views vs handlers.
since i use render_to_response for most things, I should have an
easy transition
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via FormEncode under Pylons, I was able to mark a valid field as
invalid, and then reprint.
i'm wondering if this is possible with deform.
a pseudocode example of this in action would be something like this:
def login(self):
formLogin = deform.Form(FormLogin(_)
posted =
Thanks. I very much don't want to have that sort of pattern in
programming though -- where the application logic becomes shifted into
the form validation. I've run into too many issues with that making
maintenance a nightmare, or causing 'expensive' calls to needlessly be
made.
I really want /
hopefully someone will suggest a deform method...
until then, i ported my modified version of the old pylons validation
to pyramid...
https://gist.github.com/1734244
- i didn't port the decorator, as i rarely use it [ and i couldn't
figure out a good way to do it without mandating that a
could we rename pyramid_handlers to pyramid_controllers ? its the
pylons appropriate name for them, and would probably solve a handful
of issues.
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On Feb 1, 3:19 pm, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, the closest thing to controllers is view classes.
pyramid_handlers is one way to manage view classes, but increasingly
people are doing it themselves with @view_config.
Could you point me to something where someone does it
this is great. thanks!
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mike- thanks. clears it up.
i'm still using a mixture of @action and , increasingly,
render_to_response.
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I just noticed this..
under pylons, mako templates are cached into app/data/templates/$name
$.mako.py
under pyramid, i don't see where they're cached - if at all.
anyone have a clue ?
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I come from Pylons, where we had the g globals object. I miss it
dearly.
The Pyramid/Repoze group seems very much into the idea of passing a
request around all the time. I don't like that, mostly from the 'mass
appeal route' , in that its something that just about every other
framework has, and
my .02¢ is this:
App Developers like features like 'Globals'. It's something that is
familiar-from, and present-in many other frameworks.
Granted, pyramid is a low-level framework - and one that a more 'webmonkey'
friendly framework might be built upon itself. But those frameworks are
Raoul -
You've got nginx configured to serve static files directly, right? If
not, that'll really improve your system.
On Jan 30, 12:48 pm, Raoul Snyman raoul.sny...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2012 19:20, cd34 mcd...@gmail.com wrote:
You could use uwsgi (http://projects.unbit.it/uwsgi/)
could you share the code that raised the exception , or an
approximation of it ?
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ah. well, I'd highly recommend doing that if you need to speed up your
system. it cuts down on CPU and memory usage drastically.
On Jan 30, 2:20 pm, Raoul Snyman raoul.sny...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 January 2012 20:25, Jonathan Vanasco jonat...@findmeon.com wrote:
You've got nginx configured
I've set up my application with multiple database connections to
postgresql, which then reflects the table structure into my classes
under /models. i am using sqlahelper.
myapp_reader can read to all tables
myapp_writer can read and write to all tables
what I 'expected' is as follows:
- calls
thanks. that post made me realize that I might just be able to port
some old Pylons code to work with Pyramid.
i've been using a mixture of what is essentially Mike Bayer's post +
Mike Orr's sqlahelper for the past 4 years. i should just port it and
package it for github
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https://gist.github.com/1686834
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i just tossed this on github and pypi - facebook_utils
https://github.com/jvanasco/facebook_utils
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/facebook_utils
it wraps the current facebook user flows. the official python sdk
from facebook is deprecated and unsupported.
the main class is FacebookHub
an
on setup, I need to stash some information from the environment.ini
script , which will be used on every request ( the facebook app ids
for dev production ).
the only way i can see doing it right now, is to either:
1. Create a globals dict in app/__init__.py
2. in app/__init__.py:main , push
someone on this list, not too long ago , wanted to render their
javascript/css with mako or jinja templates. so they'd be normal
javascript / css files -- but in production they might have some
different vars or images. an example in practice: on an earlier
version of a website ( which I had
I've done stuff like this before - but under mod_perl, not python - I
think the same trick would work though...
1. The javascript source files were held out of the website/
application root - just for security and safety. they're held in
something called assets/javascript/-source
2. On
wrote:
Maybe these aren't doing the same thing, but another approach is to write a
WSGI middleware ala Tres Seaver's repoze.urchin:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/repoze.urchin
Chris
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it's on github
ok. i'll migrate the docs from the docstrings into the toplevel
distro ;)
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I'm PERSONALLY not a fan of traversal , or of having that super REST
oriented stuff. For short projects, like an ad campaign or prototyping
a demo, i think its fine. For long term stuff, ajax functionality and
requirements change.. so I prefer to just support a versioned API and
consolidate
it's on github -- https://github.com/jvanasco/pyramid_gaq
it's fairly simple:
- import it into helpers
- in your base handler's __init__ call : gaq_setup( request,
'account_id' )
- set custom vars, events, etc, with commands that mimic the gaq
commands - ie: _setCustomVar - gaq _setCustomVar
-
As a matter of preference, I like to treat ajax in my pylons/pyramid
apps in a very structured and repeatable way...
1. everything hits /api-public/versionX or /api-internal
2. i use a standard response object / formatting
3. i wrap everything in a try/except
4. i commit/rollback
the return
I've preferred the relative and @base solutions before without much
issue.
i'm assuming you're talking about https://launchpad.net/sloecode/trunk
I would really focus on keeping the css out of the templating system.
your css/img/js files really should never touch a dynamic server in a
production
make sure to bench in terms of concurrency and try to send a long term
cache control header.
the problem i experienced years ago under similar setups (mod_perl and
mod_python) was this: the render/etc times were really nothing or the
items were served 'raw' by the app -- but all the js / css /
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