Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Miller
On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:10 AM, Phil Thompson wrote: And we could have just as many Viper versions as we'd damn well please within any given Python and Qt release timeframe -- we'd simply import from Viper2, Viper3... rather than Viper. Thoughts? With 20/20 hindsight (starting 10 years ago)

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Miller
I should clarify a few things before I embark on a rebuttal: - I have deployed my code to my end users many times since I started to build my PyQt4 compatibility layer (it is not finished yet, and I can't afford to stop pushing out bug fixes and new features for a few months while I do a

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Giovanni Bajo
On 10/7/2008 5:10 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: I should clarify a few things before I embark on a rebuttal: - I have deployed my code to my end users many times since I started to build my PyQt4 compatibility layer (it is not finished yet, and I can't afford to stop pushing out bug fixes and new

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Daniel Miller
On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Phil Thompson wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:10:57 -0400, Daniel Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - I am moving to PyQt4 because I need to use some of the new features (the Graphics View Framework, for one). If I did not need these new features in PyQt4 I'd be

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread David Boddie
On Tue Oct 7 19:47:00 BST 2008, Daniel Miller wrote: On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Phil Thompson wrote: PyQt3 has always maintained backwards compatibility, so has PyQt4. PyQt3 is not PyQt4. Likewise Qt3 is not Qt4. Granted, Trolltech produced a Qt3=Qt4 migration tool, but then they have

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-07 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 07.10.08 14:47:00, Daniel Miller wrote: Well, yes of course. Sorry for picking a bad example. How about QSplitter, QPushButton, QProgressBar, QPopumMenu, etc. Those are definitely used in many places, and the API for each of them changed. I realize this is not your fault--it was a

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-05 Thread Simon Edwards
Hello, Phil Thompson wrote: Major transitions (Qt3 = Qt4, Python2 = Python3) should be considered as opportunities for rewrites. They should not be treated as how can I get from one to the other with as few changes as possible. I thought the way the Python guys handled Python 3 was very good.

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-04 Thread Giovanni Bajo
On sab, 2008-10-04 at 00:25 +0100, Phil Thompson wrote: On the other hand, if you did write it correctly in the first place (something I've never managed) PyQt4 for Python2 will be maintained for several years - certainly while new versions of Python2 are released. This is good to know,

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-04 Thread Detlev Offenbach
On Samstag, 4. Oktober 2008, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:45:12 -0700, Glenn Linderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On approximately 10/3/2008 4:25 PM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Phil Thompson: Personally I think compatibility wrappers are a waste of

[PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Detlev Offenbach
Hi, will there be PyQt4 support for Python 3.0 once it goes final? Regards, Detlev -- Detlev Offenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ PyQt mailing listPyQt@riverbankcomputing.com http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/mailman/listinfo/pyqt

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Thompson
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, will there be PyQt4 support for Python 3.0 once it goes final? Not straight away. I will take the opportunity to break backwards compatibility (eg. removing QVariant, QString, QChar, QByteArray etc), and those

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Mark Summerfield
On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, will there be PyQt4 support for Python 3.0 once it goes final? Not straight away. I will take the opportunity to break backwards compatibility (eg. removing QVariant,

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Paul A. Giannaros
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my personal wish list for Python 3/PyQt4 (including those that Phil is going to do as he says above): - No QString, only

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Daniel Miller
On Oct 3, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my personal wish list for Python 3/PyQt4 (including those that Phil

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Mark Summerfield
On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my personal wish list for Python 3/PyQt4 (including those that Phil is going

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my

Writing a PyQT4 app today (was Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0)

2008-10-03 Thread Arthur Pemberton
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:05 PM, Glenn Linderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snip ] My personal situation is that I have only recently begun writing my first major PyQt application, using Python 2.5 and PyQt 4. This will take me a while also. Depending on how long our a whiles are, I hope to

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Andreas Pakulat
On 03.10.08 21:59:14, Mark Summerfield wrote: On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my personal wish list for

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Paul A. Giannaros
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 9:59 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Paul A. Giannaros wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Mark Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008-10-03, Phil Thompson wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach Here's my

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Thompson
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:42:53 -0700, Glenn Linderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On approximately 10/3/2008 8:18 AM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Phil Thompson: On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:11:19 +0200, Detlev Offenbach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, will there be PyQt4

Re: [PyQt] PyQt4 and Python 3.0

2008-10-03 Thread Phil Thompson
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:45:12 -0700, Glenn Linderman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On approximately 10/3/2008 4:25 PM, came the following characters from the keyboard of Phil Thompson: Personally I think compatibility wrappers are a waste of time and effort. There are times when you really should