On Dec 27, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
I run into a problem recently with a reconnectingclientfactory with
twisted while write some spare time software, that turned out to be
a gc
inefficiency.
In short the protocol memory wasn't released after the reconnect
and the
(for those who follow non-python forums
make that those who don't follow
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Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Adal Chiriliuc wrote:
MSVC 7.1 and 8.0 malloc always uses the Windows heap functions
(HeapAlloc friends) if running on Windows 2000 or newer
(malloc.c and heapinit.c).
So it seems that for both Linux (gcc) and Win (msvc) the memory is
released to the operating
(for those who follow non-python forums
Fredrik make that those who don't follow
What might some of those non-python forums be?
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PEP: XXX
Title: Using ssize_t as the index type
Version: $Revision$
Last-Modified: $Date$
Author: Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
Content-Type: text/x-rst
Created: 18-Dec-2005
Post-History:
Abstract
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fredrik make that those who don't follow
What might some of those non-python forums be?
assorted corners of the blogosphere, mostly. no time to dig up any explicit
references, since I'm preparing for a 650 km trip through a major snowstorm,
but searching
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005, Guido van Rossum wrote:
In the mean time I'm a strong believer in it ain't broke so don't fix
it here.
Does that also include my suggestion about improving the startup message?
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Aahz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) * http://www.pythoncraft.com/
Given that C++
Hi Armin,
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 09:56:43PM +0100, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
d += 1.2
d
NotImplemented
The PEP documenting the coercion logic has complete tables
for what should happen:
Well, '+=' does not invoke coercion at all, with new-style classes like
Decimal.
True, it doesn't invoke
On 12/29/05, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005, Guido van Rossum wrote:
In the mean time I'm a strong believer in it ain't broke so don't fix
it here.
Does that also include my suggestion about improving the startup message?
Nobody reads that; plus it looks like it's
+1. I think this is long overdue. While I can't judge the amount of
code breakage, 2.5 is as good an opportunity as any.
--Guido
On 12/29/05, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please let me know what you think.
Regards,
Martin
PEP: XXX
Title: Using ssize_t as the index type
Hello all,
While working with Subversion's python API bindings this morning, I
discovered a function in one of their modules illegally named import
(svn.client.import, for the curious). Because the extension module in
question is written in C, the interpreter doesn't flag the
otherwise-illegal
On 12/29/05, Noam Raphael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/29/05, Donovan Baarda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Without some sort of fancy overkill size hinting or history tracking,
that's probably as good a heuristic as you can get.
I'm sorry, but it's not correct. There's a simple resize
Aahz wrote:
Does that also include my suggestion about improving the startup message?
when newbies get to the point that they want to quit, chances are
that the message have scrolled out of sight. and if they only skim
the instructions, they'll probably get confused anyway... e.g.
Python
Walter Dörwald wrote:
Alex Martelli wrote:
On 12/28/05, Walter Dörwald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
We have sys.displayhook and sys.excepthook. Why not add a sys.inputhook?
Sure, particularly with Nick's suggestion for a default input hook it would
be fine.
I'd like the inputhook to
Noam Raphael wrote:
I'm not saying that practically it must be used - I'm just saying that
it can't be called a heuristic, and that it doesn't involve any fancy
overkill size hinting or history tracking. It actually means
something like this:
1. If you want to insert and the table is full,
Not sure what I think of the proposal (though I guess I'm overall +0 --
needs to be done sometime and no time like the present).
However, I think this PEP should be held up as an example of how to write
a good PEP. Aside from my inability to follow some of the arcane points
due to lack of C
Aahz wrote:
However, I think this PEP should be held up as an example of how to write
a good PEP. Aside from my inability to follow some of the arcane points
due to lack of C programming skill, this PEP was extremely readable and
well-organized. Nice job!
Thanks! Part of it probably stems
Fernando Perez wrote:
In [1]: x='hello'
In [2]: x?
/.../
Docstring:
str(object) - string
Return a nice string representation of the object.
If the argument is a string, the return value is the same object.
I'm not sure what I find more confusing: a help system that claims
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 17:17 +0100, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
Noam Raphael wrote:
I'm not saying that practically it must be used - I'm just saying that
it can't be called a heuristic, and that it doesn't involve any fancy
overkill size hinting or history tracking. It actually means
something
Guido van Rossum wrote:
Regarding the meme floating about the arrogance of Pythoneers:
bloggers (pretty much by definition) are actually the most arrogant
species; don't confuse bloggers say with most people think.
Sure, but I'm not only talking about the mindless ranters here; it's also
On 12/29/05, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Noam Raphael wrote:
I'm not saying that practically it must be used - I'm just saying that
it can't be called a heuristic, and that it doesn't involve any fancy
overkill size hinting or history tracking. It actually means
something like
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 04:22:35AM -0500, Bob Ippolito wrote:
In this particular case, you might be better off just writing some
Twisted code that periodically checks the size of the current process
and does a gc.collect() when necessary. Of course, it requires some
platform specific
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 07:14:32PM -0700, Neil Schemenauer wrote:
[This message has also been posted.]
Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One challenge is that PyObject_GC_Del doesn't know how large the memory
block is that is being released. So it is difficult to find out how
much
Hi Martin,
On Thu, Dec 29, 2005 at 03:04:30PM +0100, Martin v. L?wis wrote:
New conversion functions PyInt_FromSsize_t, PyInt_AsSsize_t,
PyLong_AsSsize_t are introduced. PyInt_FromSsize_t will transparently
return a long int object if the value exceeds the MAX_INT.
I guess you mean LONG_MAX
Not the first time this happened. :-(
Could someone add a unit test for this please?
--Guido
On 12/28/05, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
someone recently broke floating point literals in a rather spectacular
way:
$ export LANG=sv_SE.utf8
$ ./python
Python 2.5a0 (41806M, Dec 25
Guido wrote:
Not the first time this happened. :-(
Could someone add a unit test for this please?
Hye-Shik Chang just added the necessary tests to his bugfix patch. I'll
check this in later tonight.
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in reality, some things are carefully thought out and craftily im-
plemented, some things are engineering tradeoffs made at a certain time,
and some things are just accidents -- but python-dev will happily defend
the current solution with the same energy, no matter what it
Michael Chermside wrote:
Seriously... I've seen this behavior also, but I haven't ever thought
about it as clearly as Fredrik does here. When we go to answer questions
we ought to pause briefly first and decide which of these categories
applies to a given piece of behavior. I think users will
Michael Chermside wrote:
The F-bot writes:
in reality, some things are carefully thought out and craftily im-
plemented, some things are engineering tradeoffs made at a certain time,
and some things are just accidents -- but python-dev will happily defend
the current solution with the same
Aahz wrote:
On Wed, Dec 28, 2005, Brett Cannon wrote:
On 12/28/05, Aahz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's yet a different take on this: .. change the startup message...
Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information.
Let's add another line that says
Type quit() to exit
[Martin v. Löwis]
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PEP: XXX
Title: Using ssize_t as the index type
+1, and for Python 2.5, and the sooner done the less painful for all.
Same concerns as Armin, where this is especially unattractive:
The conversion codes 's#' and 't#' will output Py_ssize_t
if the macro PY_SIZE_T_CLEAN
On 12/29/05, Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please let me know what you think.
Regards,
Martin
PEP: XXX
Title: Using ssize_t as the index type
[SNIP]
+1 from me. As everyone else is saying, this has to happen at some
point and 2.5 is as good as any.
-Brett
On 12/29/05, Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
however, given that the discussion that led up to this has been dead for
almost a week,
You mean since Christmas?
I'm beginning to fear that I've wasted my time on a project
that nobody's interested in.
Could be. I don't see HTML+PythonDoc
David Goodger wrote:
however, given that the discussion that led up to this has been dead for
almost a week,
You mean since Christmas?
I'm beginning to fear that I've wasted my time on a project
that nobody's interested in.
Could be. I don't see HTML+PythonDoc as a significant
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
Please let me know what you think.
+1. in honor of the Bike Shed Effect, I'm going to assume that you've
thought of everything.
:::
well, one thing seems to missing from your PEP: in several modules, you've
changed the cast used in the type table. e.g.
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Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, perhaps:
class _Quitter(str):
def __call__(self): raise SystemExit
quit = _Quitter('The quit command. Type quit() to exit')
exit = _Quitter('The exit command. Type exit() to exit')
FWIW, I like this kind of solution
Neil Schemenauer wrote:
Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or, perhaps:
class _Quitter(str):
def __call__(self): raise SystemExit
quit = _Quitter('The quit command. Type quit() to exit')
exit = _Quitter('The exit command. Type exit() to exit')
FWIW, I
[Fredrik Lundh]
I'm beginning to fear that I've wasted my time on a project
that nobody's interested in.
[David Goodger]
Could be. I don't see HTML+PythonDoc as a significant improvement
over LaTeX.
[Fredrik Lundh]
Really?
Yes, really.
Have you read my list of goals?
Yes, and I mostly
Samuele Pedroni wrote:
Michael Chermside wrote:
The F-bot writes:
in reality, some things are carefully thought out and craftily im-
plemented, some things are engineering tradeoffs made at a certain time,
and some things are just accidents -- but python-dev will happily defend
the current
In a fair number of cases, Python doesn't follow its own recommended
naming conventions. Changing these things would break backward
compatibility, so they are out of the question for Python 2.*, but
it would be nice to keep these in mind for Python 3K.
Constants in all caps:
NONE,
Nick == Nick Coghlan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nick Samuele Pedroni wrote:
It's not a matter of defending the status quo, more about what
kind of price is reasonable for DWIM.
IMHO, +N*10^6 for simplicity, regularity, and discoverability, -1 for
DWIM in the interpreter. DWIM is
On 12/29/05, Ka-Ping Yee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a fair number of cases, Python doesn't follow its own recommended
naming conventions. Changing these things would break backward
compatibility, so they are out of the question for Python 2.*, but
it would be nice to keep these in mind for
On 29 Dec 2005, at 18:58, David Goodger wrote:
[Fredrik Lundh]
I'm beginning to fear that I've wasted my time on a project
that nobody's interested in.
[David Goodger]
Could be. I don't see HTML+PythonDoc as a significant improvement
over LaTeX.
[Fredrik Lundh]
Really?
Yes, really.
Robey Pointer wrote:
[Fredrik Lundh]
Really?
Yes, really.
Just out of curiosity (really -- not trying to jump into the flames)
why not just use epydoc? If it's good enough for 3rd-party python
libraries, isn't that just a small step from being good enough for
the builtin libraries?
--- Martin v. Löwis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Out of curiosity: can you please try invoking this enum_print to stdout
with your VS2005-built boost module? I see it uses fprintf, so I would
expect it to crash.
After beating on this for half an hour I am coming to the conclusion that there
is no
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