On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:04:57 am Steve Holden wrote:
- After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI)
I am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values
from generators). Having
Nick Coghlan, 25.07.2010 08:29:
We knew PEP 380 would be hurt by the moratorium when the moratorium
PEP went through.
The goals of the moratorium itself, in making it possible to have a
3.2 release that is fully supported by all of the major Python
implementations, still apply, and I believe
Am 25.07.2010 08:54, schrieb Stefan Behnel:
Nick Coghlan, 25.07.2010 08:29:
We knew PEP 380 would be hurt by the moratorium when the moratorium
PEP went through.
The goals of the moratorium itself, in making it possible to have a
3.2 release that is fully supported by all of the major Python
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
There must be a good reason why traditional software
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
..
Step 1: Rename test_trace to test_sys_settrace and test_profilehooks
to test_sys_setprofile.
..
A tracetester helper module +
At 04:29 PM 7/25/2010 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
So, while I can understand Guido's temptation (PEP 380 *is* pretty
cool), I'm among those that hope he resists that temptation. Letting
these various ideas bake a little longer without syntactic support
likely won't hurt either.
Well, if
On 07/24/2010 10:38 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Ron Adamr...@ronadam.com wrote:
On 07/24/2010 05:37 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Ron Adamr...@ronadam.comwrote:
I am not sure I like the fact that the browser is started
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Ron Adam r...@ronadam.com wrote:
..
I'd be completely fine with dropping the Search For box from the GUI
interface, but the persistent window listing the served port and
providing Open Browser and Quit Serving buttons still seems quite
useful even without the
On 7/23/10 2:44 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Indeed, we meant b'...{}...{}...'.format(x, y). The problem is that it
can't invoke x.__format__() or y.__format__() since those will return
text strings instead of bytes. A proposed solution was to try
x.__bformat__() etc. Another proposed solution
Part of me agrees with you regarding the generally different tool
lifecycle, but another part says we need these tools in the standard
library or we risk inadvertently breaking the hooks they would still
rely on, even as third party projects.
I suspect a major factor here relates to the
Oh, and with business philosophy I mean: mails like the one you start
this thread with are interpreted by me as being very pushy, overly
sarcastic and if my project manager at the office sends me an email
like that I know I have to do it right now. I would dislike to be
spoken to like this in
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
..
Indeed, we meant b'...{}...{}...'.format(x, y). The problem is that it
can't invoke x.__format__() or y.__format__() since those will return
text strings instead of bytes. A proposed solution was to try
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
On 7/23/10 2:44 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Indeed, we meant b'...{}...{}...'.format(x, y). The problem is that it
can't invoke x.__format__() or y.__format__() since those will return
text strings instead of bytes. A
So OK, thank you for response.
No, I wasn't joking. I'm sorry, I didn't know that you Python guys get offended
from being compared to PHP or Perl. Perhaps that shouldn't surprise me, though.
I have posted all of this here, because I was hoping this feature would be
implemented secretly,
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
While the EuroPython sprints are still going on, I am back home, and
after a somewhat restful night of sleep, I have some thoughts I'd like
to share before I get distracted. Note, I am jumping wildly between
topics.
-
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
..
It is at best entertaining to ponder about reasons here; I doubt
anything productive can come out of such a discussion.
I disagree. Depending on the reasons for the relative lack of
attention to these components,
On 25/07/2010 19:34, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
[snip...]
On the other hand, posting actual patches that fix actual bugs can
make a lot of a difference. Also, having a maintainer who is willing
to look into these patches and accept the good ones will make a lot
of a difference.
With
On Jul 25, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Michael Foord wrote:
On 25/07/2010 19:34, Alexander Belopolsky wrote:
[snip...]
On the other hand, posting actual patches that fix actual bugs can
make a lot of a difference. Also, having a maintainer who is willing
to look into these patches and accept the
Hi
I have made a documentation patch for issue 7447.
I cannot change the stage to patch-review - is this intentional?
Would be great if someone could comment on the patch.
Leonhard
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On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
- Commit privileges: Maybe we've been too careful with only giving
commit privileges to to experienced and trusted new developers. I
spoke to Ezio Melotti and from his experience with getting commit
privileges, it
There's no reason why Tal should be obstructed in his goal of making
IDLE at least acceptable again. It's fairly obvious thaat there aren't
any committers who have both the inclination /and/ the time to do this,
so adding Tal (and other interested parties) as a developer makes a lot
of sense.
Interested, yes. But until either a) I can commit patches, or b) there
is someone who will respond to commit review recommendations with No,
here is why not or Yes, committed, I will work on other issues, such
as doc issues, for which I can get responses.
If you are then still interested in
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
..
Step 1: Rename test_trace to
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
..
While the general preference is to backport tests, it is also
acknowledged that that can become overly difficult as the test cases
diverge. Up to you if you want to manually fix your patch for 3.1,
drop the
On 7/25/2010 2:58 PM, Leonhard Vogt wrote:
I have made a documentation patch for issue 7447.
I cannot change the stage to patch-review - is this intentional?
Would be great if someone could comment on the patch.
Done x 3
--
Terry Jan Reedy
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On 7/24/2010 11:21 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:51 PM, P.J. Ebyp...@telecommunity.com wrote:
By the way, the PEP's optimized implementation could probably be done just
by making generator functions containing yield-from statements return an
object of a different type
P.J. Eby wrote:
I would like to reiterate (no pun intended) the suggestion of a special
syntactic form for the return
Allowing a return
value, but then having that value silently disappear, seems like it
would delay ... learning
If I remember correctly, all these arguments were made at
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
- After seeing Raymond's talk about monocle (search for it on PyPI) I
am getting excited again about PEP 380 (yield from, return values from
To review a patch on the tracker, I have to read and try to make sense
of the raw diff file. Sometimes that is easy, sometimes not.
*After* a patch is applied, I can click the rev link and then the
'text changed' link and see a nice, colored, side-by-side web-pace view
created by ViewVC.
Am 26.07.2010 02:24, schrieb Terry Reedy:
To review a patch on the tracker, I have to read and try to make sense
of the raw diff file. Sometimes that is easy, sometimes not.
*After* a patch is applied, I can click the rev link and then the
'text changed' link and see a nice, colored,
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote:
On 7/23/10 2:44 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
Indeed, we meant b'...{}...{}...'.format(x, y). The problem is that it
can't invoke
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
..
If I had to choose I'd never show the microseconds.
Or the timezone offset, right?
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On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
..
Maybe self.__format__(..).encode('ascii')? ...encode('utf-8') is a
tempting alternative as well.
-1
That would bring back the it fails for some users but passes for the
developer problem. (True, if the developer
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Alexander Belopolsky
alexander.belopol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
..
Maybe self.__format__(..).encode('ascii')? ...encode('utf-8') is a
tempting alternative as well.
-1
That would bring
On 7/25/10 3:19 PM, Gregory P. Smith g...@krypto.org wrote:
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 7:08 AM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
- Commit privileges: Maybe we've been too careful with only giving
commit privileges to to experienced and trusted new developers. I
spoke to Ezio Melotti
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Peter Portante
peter.a.porta...@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW: We use Python at Tabblo, straddled across Python 2.5.4 and 2.6.5. They
work. And they work well. But we make light use of threads (mostly
background I/O handling), and heavy use of multiple processes because
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