, yes. Replacing the current import code is one of the things
I really really want to see in 3.0.
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about distutils. But it should not
be a requirement for package authors that they become an expert in
the packaging software just to make a release!
I said it before, and I'll say it again: The audience for Python
should not only consist of the people on python-dev.
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setuptools import setup? Or to something like:
Nope, only if you want to use the new, nicer functionality. If you
want to stick with the status quo, you're quite welcome to.
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Fredrik for some reason, tools of this kind tend to reach the
big ball Fredrik of mud stage even before they reach the dogfood
stage. and Fredrik once you have a big ball of mud, you simply
won't get much Fredrik outside help
Not
On Thursday 20 April 2006 14:18, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
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http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html
Yes. I remember that piece. In particular, he wrote the original
rant about this about Mozilla/Firefox. How did that work out
again? Oh, that's right
Phillip's work has been excessive. He's done an amazing
amount of work on this (look at the distutils-sig archive for the
last two years for more), and produced something that's very very
useful.
He deserves far more credit for this than he seems to have been
getting here.
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I'm not sure how people would prefer this be handled. I don't think we
need to have a PEP for it - I don't see PEPs for ctypes, elementtree,
pysqlite or cProfile, either.
I don't have a problem at all with setuptools going into the standard
library. It adds a whole pile of extremely useful
* or Py_UNICODE* would make the problem
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buildbot system is useless, otherwise.
And yes, I'm working on the existing broken buildslaves trying to fix
them. For instance - on ia64, sqlite is failing because of a bug in
gcc - compiled with -O2 or higher, sqlite itself is broken. Yay!
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Anthony I've done a lot of the work to get Python to build
with g++ -
Is this on a branch or available as a patch somewhere?
It's the trunk.
Is there a primer that will get me to where Anthony is? I tried
the obvious
the failing tests on the trunk to pass
(noting that should have been done before checking in).
I'm reverting on the trunk, too. Per PJE's email as well, I think
this needs discussion before committing (and it needs the tests
updated, first!)
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nasty.
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PyLong_AsUnsignedLongLong that returns a -1 despite the return value
being declared as unsigned...
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As far as I know, I've never signed one. I probably should, or is
there some grandfathering rule for people who've been contributing
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On Tuesday 11 April 2006 00:56, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
No - those people will have to fill out the agreement covering past
contributions also:
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib-form-python.html
And yes, you are right - you haven't filed one, so far.
Righto - I will try to get to this
(a debian derivative) and I _think_ Debian proper has fixed
this now. Well, I'd be suprised if Debian proper hasn't fixed it as
well, as the same person packages both.
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profiling module cProfile was
added.
A large number of bugs, regressions and reference leaks have
been fixed since Python 2.4. See the release notes for more.
Enjoy this new (alpha!) release,
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Damn. Missed that one. Fixed, will be visible again when the website
auto-rebuilds (5-10 minutes).
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www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all,
That should be www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all/ (needs the trailing /)
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though.) --
-1.
A bad benchmark (which pystone is) is much worse than no benchmark.
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this up, though -- the
startfile test is absent from the 'exclude' list in the SVN
repository.
I fixed this shortly after Py2.5a1.
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Now that the bug day has
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 06:06, Tim Peters wrote:
backport of r43578
The email module's parsedate_tz function now sets the daylight
savings flag to -1 (unknown) since it can't tell from the date
whether it should be set.
patch from Aldo Cortesi
is in the blamelist for the runs where
Now that the bug day has been and gone, it's time to cut 2.5a1. Please
consider the trunk FROZEN from 00:00 UTC/GMT on Wednesday the 5th of
April. I'll post again when it's unfrozen.
Please help in not making the release manager cry because the trunk is
broken. Thanks,
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:
http://www.python.org/~anthony/searchbar/
If you can think of other useful searchbar plugins (Python Docs,
maybe?) let me know and I'll look at creating them.
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On Sunday 02 April 2006 14:17, Anthony Baxter wrote:
I've created a searchbar plugin for the firefox search bar that
allows you to search bugs.
I should clarify - it allows you to pull up a bug by bug ID, using the
www.python.org/sf/ redirector
Documentation
Upgrade to the updated pysqlite once it's out
maybe switch from db.sqlite to just sqlite (trivial enough change).
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On Thursday 30 March 2006 22:25, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote:
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 05:24:32PM +0200, Wolfgang Langner wrote:
-1 on db.sql.sqlite.
Keep structure flat. Or we are eventually in a Java world with
org.something.this.andthat
xml.dom.minidom?
given the horror of
On Thursday 30 March 2006 23:07, Fredrik Lundh wrote:
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xml.dom.minidom?
given the horror of _xmlplus/xmlcore and whatnot, I'd be hesitant
to use the xml package as an example of _anything_ wink
which reminds me -- is that issue still open ? martin? fred?
It looks
this, does anyone want to scream?
(see also
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-December/058555.html
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as (for instance) db.mysqldb
because of the way package importing works. And I'd prefer
'database.sqlite' rather than 'db.sqlite'.
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this new release,
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it follows the standard DB-API. People can start off using it, then
look at switching to a larger database if their application needs
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makes this better, not worse. I mean, adding ElementTree could also
mean people will use XML in more places that are inappropriate, too,
but I didn't see that raised as a problem.
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luck finding a home for everything... trying to categorise everything
will be nearly impossible. And 'from stdlib.misc import foo' will
make me very very unhappy.
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on SimpleHTTPServer,
SimpleXMLRPCServer, smptd, or dumbdbm will also find their performance
sucks. What's your point?
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or pkg_resources dance and let people install all
N database interfaces instead of just N-1?
The same could be said of vast amounts of the standard library.
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I'm happy to work with Gerhard to make this happen. Does it need a
PEP? I'd say no, but only because things like ElementTree didn't,
either. Does it need a BDFL pronouncement? I'd say yes.
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this (including the new test) as do various random tests I could
string together.
I need to apply this in the next short while, so if you have an issue
with it, please speak up now!
Thanks,
Anthony
To make repr() conversion more robust, we could have
PyObject_Repr() apply the conversion using
cause regressions or
incompatible changes. Just like failing tests, code checked in
without tests is fair game for being reverted if there is anything
questionable.
+1 from me.
Anyone disagree?
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Never mind. For 2.4.3, I reverted perky's patch for the
unicode-escape, and reverted the old patch for PyObject_Repr on the
trunk. After talking to perky and Neal, this seemed like the safest
option for 2.4.3.
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are in.
Please help in making this release as painless as possible by not
checking in while the trunk is frozen.
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, warnall, or new. The default is
old in Python 2.2 but will change to warn in later 2.x
versions.
Is this still accurate? Do we want to change the default in 2.x?
If so, does x == 5?
-1 PITA.
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On a personal note, according to my records this is the 25th
release of Python I've made as release manager.
So enjoy this silver anniversary release,
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any issues with this. Should I also put
this sort of information somewhere on the web? Maybe a slot at the
top of the buildbot page?
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2.4.3 final next week, and then maybe aim for 2.5a1 a week or two
later? How does that work for everyone?
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On Thursday 02 March 2006 01:48, Walter Dörwald wrote:
Any progress on this? I'd really like to get this into 2.5 and the
feature freeze is approaching fast!
Remember, the feature freeze is as of beta1. Hopefully the major new
features are all going to be in before alpha1, but they can
On Sunday 12 February 2006 21:51, Thomas Wouters wrote:
Well, in the past, features -- even syntax changes -- have gone in
between the last beta and the final release (but reminding Guido
might bring him to tears of regret. ;) Features have also gone into
what would have been 'bugfix releases'
, of course.
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It took 2 hours, but I caught up on Python-dev email. Hoorah.
So, couple of things - the trunk has test failures for me, right now.
test test_email failed -- Traceback (most recent call last):
File
/home/anthony/src/py/pytrunk/python/Lib/email/test/test_email.py,
line 2111
I'm still catching up on the hundreds of python-dev messages from the
last couple of days, but a quick note first that I'm ok to do release
management for 2.5
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this happen in a bugfix release, for fairly obvious
reasons.
Who would we need to talk to for a definitive answer? I'm sure there's
various FSF mailing lists where we could get 157 different potential
answers, but I'm talking about an actual, official FSF statement 0.5
wink
Anthony
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 18:03 +0100, Thomas Heller wrote:
[I've added python-dev to cc:]
Anthony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 17:08 +0100, Thomas Heller wrote:
Anyway, another question is: Is aclocal.m4 needed at all for building
(or maybe for regenerating
has
no complaint.
My complaint is that libedit _calls_ itself libreadline, when it's
pretty clear that it's not actually a drop-in replacement (or the
readline module would build). Hence my use of the word crackful
wink
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couldn't tell what needed
doing from the trac site.
We obviously need to get everything that's needed to use setuptools
and eggs so people can just have things just work. Yay for PJE!
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something like:
def __int__(self):
raise TypeError(This type is not a number!)
I don't see a problem with defining basenumber. For the use cases,
pretty much the same set as basesstring.
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the
precise buildbot incantation would be, I don't know.
At least with the way Twisted is set up, the buildbot also sits in an
IRC channel and sends updates there. It can also be controlled from
there. Is this worth doing? A 'force clean build' command could be
added...
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of known users.
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FWIW, I have an older box running Ubuntu 05.10 that spends most of
it's days pining for stuff to do (at the moment, it does DHCP and DNS
for the house. Yes, I know I have too many damn computers here). I
can set up a buildbot on it easily enough. It's something like a
600MHz P3 or something.
pain in the clacker to install.
For a), I think one of the BSDs might be useful. Whether they
qualify for b), I don't know.
Anyone else have an opinion on the ease of installation for the
various BSDs? Last time I tried one (which was several years ago) it
was Not Very Good.
Anthony
On Thursday 05 January 2006 08:23, Barry Warsaw wrote:
Dunno, but I'm always having problems w/ Solaris tar, so I just use
GNU tar on Solaris. ;)
Maybe we should switch to cpio-based distributions?
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test_descr
This is on Ubuntu Breezy,
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making it worthwhile doing a 2.4.2c2. I'm open to other opinions
here, of course.
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move to 2.4 without
it. Cheers,
Max
I'm not sure - mwh, how risky a patch is this?
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So the 2.4.2c1 release seems to be not a brown-paper-bag release. The
branch should be considered ok for those critical fixes that need to
go in before 2.4.2 final - please, please, if you're not absolutely
sure, ask me first.
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I'll send another message once 2.4.2 is done.
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bugs for a week, until we (hopefully) cut 2.4.2 final on the 28th.
I'll send a reminder email about 12 hours out from the branch close.
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is 'separate()', but
a) I always spell it 'seperate' (and I don't need another lamdba wink)
b) It's too similar in name to 'split()'
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slipped in while I was reviewing the change for correctness.
Please ensure that you run the test suite before checking code in!
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On Friday 19 August 2005 02:22, Guido van Rossum wrote:
On 8/17/05, Anthony Baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you _really_ want to call a local variable 'id' you can (but
shouldn't).
Disagreed. The built-in namespace is searched last for a reason -- the
design is such that if you don't
. If
you _really_ want to call a local variable 'id' you can (but shouldn't).
You also can't/shouldn't call a variable 'class', 'def', or 'len' -- but I
don't see any movement to allow these...
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that Windows support (who needs it, really? wink) I *hope* that baz-ng will
work fine on Windows - I haven't looked too closely at that side of it.
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May-June. This would
mean (assuming people are happy with this) we need to make a list of what's
still outstanding for 2.5. There's a bunch of accepted PEPs that are waiting
for code. Once that's done, there will be a final 2.4.3 sometime after or
close to the 2.5 final release.
Anthony
On Monday 08 August 2005 20:13, Ilya Sandler wrote:
At OSCON, Anthony Baxter made the point that pdb is currently one of the
more unPythonic modules.
What is unpythonic about pdb? Is this part of Anthony's presentation
online? (Google found a summary and slides from presentation
with shtoom - I have properties branchURI and branchRev on
the root of the branch. I can then use these when landing the branch. It
seems to work well enough for me.
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, but if this
is to be considered for 2.4.2, it needs to be low risk of breaking anything.
2.4.2 is a bugfix release, and I'd hate to have this break other systems that
work...
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with non-gcc C++ compilers,
including the DEC^WDigital^Compaq^WHP one on the alphas, and the HP C++
compiler on the HP/UX boxes[1].
(and, it should be added, I very much appreciate the work you've put into
fixing this problem)
Anthony
[1] dunno how useful the HP/UX C++ compiler is going
),
but I stopped caring about them quite a while ago now. Too much
pain, for zero gain for me.
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mix of spaces and tabs.
There's a scripts Tools/scripts/reindent.py - put it somewhere on your
PATH and run it before checkin, like reindent.py -r Lib. It means Tim
or I don't have to run it for you wink
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was utterly broken. Please try with the HP compiler instead, see
if that is any better.
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The release24-maint branch is FROZEN from 00:00 UTC, 2005-03-30
(in about 11 hours from now).
As usual, unless you're in the set (Anthony, MvL, Fred), please hold off
on checkins to the branch until I send a message unfreezing it. Once
we've had the appropriate brown-paper-bag time delay
I'm a solid -1 on this change.
(In addition, I should note that I tried editing a moderate sized
file to put the docstrings before the defs - to my eyes, it made
the file more cluttered and much less pleasing to the eye)
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have been fixed in this version.
Highlights of the previous major Python release (2.4) are available
from the Python 2.4 page, at
http://www.python.org/2.4/highlights.html
Enjoy the new release,
Anthony
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Thanks,
Anthony
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On Thursday 17 March 2005 00:28, Anthony Baxter wrote:
The release24-maint branch should be considered FROZEN as at UTC
on 2005-03-18
That should of course be 2005-03-17.
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