Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-11 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together.  I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts.  My brief comment is below. On Wed,

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-11 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 11.04.2011 11:39: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnelstefan...@behnel.de wrote: Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together. I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts.

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-11 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Maciej Fijalkowski, 11.04.2011 11:39: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnelstefan...@behnel.de  wrote: Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel,

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 08/04/2011 00:36, Anthony Scopatz wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 07/04/2011

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Stefan Behnel
Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together. I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts. My brief comment is below. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, DasIch wrote: 1. Definition of the benchmark suite.

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together.  I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts.  My brief comment is below. On Wed,

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 08.04.2011 11:41: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnelstefan...@behnel.de wrote: Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together. I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts.

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Michael Foord
On 08/04/2011 11:18, Stefan Behnel wrote: Maciej Fijalkowski, 08.04.2011 11:41: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnelstefan...@behnel.de wrote: [snip...] So, once CPython is up and running in the benchmark test, adding Cython should be as easy as copying the configuration, installing

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Maciej Fijalkowski
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Maciej Fijalkowski, 08.04.2011 11:41: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Stefan Behnelstefan...@behnel.de  wrote: Jesse Noller, 07.04.2011 22:28: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: Hi Daniel,

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Stefan Behnel
Maciej Fijalkowski, 08.04.2011 13:37: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Stefan Behnel wrote: So, once CPython is up and running in the benchmark test, adding Cython should be as easy as copying the configuration, installing Cython and adding two lines to site.py. can you provide a simple

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/2011 07:52 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Personally I think the Gsoc project should just take the pypy suite and run with that - bikeshedding about what benchmarks to include is going to make it hard to make progress. We can have fun with

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Jesse Noller
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/2011 07:52 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Personally I think the Gsoc project should just take the pypy suite and run with that - bikeshedding about what benchmarks to

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Anthony Scopatz
and will you complain if we don't provide a custom cython hacks? (like providing extra type information) I don't consider providing extra type information a hack. Remember that they are only used for additional speed-ups in cases where the author is smarter than the compiler.

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread Terry Reedy
On 4/8/2011 11:32 AM, Anthony Scopatz wrote: an interpreter. For the purposes of benchmarking, the distinction between compiler and interpreter, as some one said above, 'dubious'. I agree. We should be comparing 'Python execution systems'. My impression is that some of what Cython does in

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-08 Thread DasIch
I talked to Fijal about my project last night, the result is that basically the project as is, is not that interesting because the means to execute the benchmarks on multiple interpreters are currently missing. Another point we talked about was that porting the benchmarks would not be very useful

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Anthony Scopatz
Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together. I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts. My brief comment is below. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, DasIch dasdas...@googlemail.com wrote: 1. Definition of the benchmark suite. This will entail contacting developers of Python

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz scop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together.  I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts.  My brief comment is below. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:52 AM, DasIch dasdas...@googlemail.com wrote: 1. Definition of the

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Michael Foord
On 06/04/2011 17:52, DasIch wrote: Hello Guys, I would like to present my proposal for the Google Summer of Code, concerning the idea of porting the benchmarks to Python 3.x for speed.pypy.org. I think I have successfully integrated the feedback I got from prior discussions on the topic and I

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/07/2011 04:28 PM, Jesse Noller wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anthony Scopatz scop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Daniel, Thanks for putting this together. I am a huge supporter of benchmarking efforts. My brief comment is below. On Wed,

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:24 -0400 Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Right now, we are talking about building speed.python.org to test the speed of python interpreters, over time, and alongside one another - cython *is not* an interpreter. Cython is out of scope for this.

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Michael Foord
On 07/04/2011 22:41, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:24 -0400 Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com wrote: Right now, we are talking about building speed.python.org to test the speed of python interpreters, over time, and alongside one another - cython *is not* an interpreter.

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Anthony Scopatz
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: On 07/04/2011 22:41, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:24 -0400 Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com wrote: Right now, we are talking about building speed.python.org to test the speed of python

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Michael Foord
On 08/04/2011 00:36, Anthony Scopatz wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk mailto:fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 07/04/2011 22:41, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:24 -0400 Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Anthony Scopatz
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.ukwrote: *some* good benchmarks in place (and the pypy ones are good ones). Agreed. The PyPy ones are good. So I'm still with Jesse on this one. If there is any discussion phase as part of the Gsoc project it should be

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Jesse Noller
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 08/04/2011 00:36, Anthony Scopatz wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 07/04/2011 22:41, Antoine Pitrou wrote: On Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:32:24 -0400 Tres

Re: [Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-07 Thread Anthony Scopatz
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 08/04/2011 00:36, Anthony Scopatz wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On

[Python-Dev] [GSoC] Developing a benchmark suite (for Python 3.x)

2011-04-06 Thread DasIch
Hello Guys, I would like to present my proposal for the Google Summer of Code, concerning the idea of porting the benchmarks to Python 3.x for speed.pypy.org. I think I have successfully integrated the feedback I got from prior discussions on the topic and I would like to hear your opinion.