Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
Guido van Rossum wrote: Sure, we lose the ability to add last-minute -3 warnings. But I think that's a pretty minor issue (and those warnings have a tendency to subtly break things occasionally, so we shouldn't do them last-minute anyway). Hey, if we catch all the things that need -3 warnings

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raymond With the extra time, it would be worthwhile to add dbm.sqlite Raymond to 3.0 to compensate for the loss of bsddb so that shelves Raymond won't become useless on Windows builds. My vote is to separate 2.6 and 3.0 then come back together for 2.7 and

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We have 8 open release critical bugs, and 18 deferred blockers. We do not

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Perhaps it's time to separate the 2.6 and 3.0 release schedules? I don't care if the next version of OSX contains 3.0 or not -- but I do care about it having 2.6. I've talked with my contact at

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Guido van Rossum] Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Even if I can't contribute very much at the moment, I'm still +1 to that. I doubt Python would get nice publicity if we released a 3.0 but had to tell everyone, but don't really use it yet, it may

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread skip
Barry 3777 long(4.2) now returns an int Looks like Amaury has already taken care of this one. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe:

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str issues to clean up, for

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Nick Coghlan
Barry Warsaw wrote: 3781 warnings.catch_warnings fails gracelessly when recording warnings I just assigned this one to myself - I'll have a patch up for review shortly (the patch will revert back to having this be a regression test suite only feature). Cheers, Nick.

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We have 8 open release critical bugs, and 18 deferred blockers. We do not have a beta3 Windows installer and I don't have high hopes for rectifying all

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Benjamin Peterson
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We have 8 open release critical bugs, and 18 deferred blockers. We do not

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Christian Heimes
Guido van Rossum wrote: Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str issues to clean up, for example! And apparently the benefit of releasing on

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Christian Heimes lists at cheimes.de writes: Ok, from the marketing perspective it's a nice catch to release 2.6 and 3.0 on the same day. Python 2.6.0 and 3.0.0 released makes a great headline. It's not only the marketing. Having both releases in lock step means the development process is

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian Heimes lists at cheimes.de writes: Ok, from the marketing perspective it's a nice catch to release 2.6 and 3.0 on the same day. Python 2.6.0 and 3.0.0 released makes a great headline. It's not only the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Antoine Pitrou writes: It's not only the marketing. Having both releases in lock step means the development process is synchronized between trunk and py3k, that there is no loss of developer focus, and that merges/backports happen quite naturally. As usual, in theory precision is infinite,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Raymond Hettinger
[Guido van Rossum] Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str issues to clean up, for example! And apparently the benefit of releasing on schedule

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Raymond Hettinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Guido van Rossum] Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str issues

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread skip
Raymond With the extra time, it would be worthwhile to add dbm.sqlite Raymond to 3.0 to compensate for the loss of bsddb so that shelves Raymond won't become useless on Windows builds. My vote is to separate 2.6 and 3.0 then come back together for 2.7 and 3.1. I'm a bit less sure