Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-10 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti alexan...@peadrop.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only close them *after* the 2.7 release (after determining that they

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 10, 2010, at 09:01 AM, Steve Holden wrote: The current stumbling block isn't the language itself, it's the lack of support from third-party libraries. GSoC is addressing some of these issues, but so far we (the PSF, the dev community, anybody else except R. David Murray) haven't really

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-10 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/10/2010 2:48 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti alexan...@peadrop.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Martin v. Löwismar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only close them

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Chris McDonough
On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this deviating from the process, but it could be an option considering

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Chris McDonough writes: It might be useful to copy the identifiers and URLs of all the backport request tickets into some other repository, or to create some unique state in roundup for these. A keyword would do. Please don't add a status or something like that, though.

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Paul Moore
On 9 June 2010 07:26, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Facundo Batista
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On that basis I'm +1 on Alexandre's proposal. A 3rd party planning on working on a 2.8 release (not that I think such a party currently exists) can step up and extract the relevant tickets for their later reference if they

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Paul Moore wrote: On 9 June 2010 07:26, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7.

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Michael Foord
On 09/06/2010 13:56, Steve Holden wrote: Paul Moore wrote: On 9 June 2010 07:26, Chris McDonoughchr...@plope.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-06-09 at 01:15 -0400, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaranorsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 09, 2010, at 01:15 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this deviating from the process, but it could be an option considering that 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
Michael Foord wrote: How does throwing away information represent moving forward? I'm inclined to agree. There is no *need* to close these tickets now. I have to say I am surprised by the current lack of momentum behind 3.x, but I do know users who consider that their current investment in

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 09, 2010, at 04:42 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Many of them are not keen on having to maintain Python2 for much longer, but some of them may have assets codified in Python2 or interests based Python2 that they'll want to keep for more than just another 5 years. E.g. we still have customers

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Bill Janssen
Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Jun 09, 2010, at 04:42 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Many of them are not keen on having to maintain Python2 for much longer, but some of them may have assets codified in Python2 or interests based Python2 that they'll want to keep for more than just

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 09, 2010, at 09:13 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: Note that Python 2.7 will be *maintained* for a very long time, which should satisfy those folks who still require Python 2. Anybody on older (and currently unmaintained) versions of Python 2 will not care

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Jesse Noller
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Jun 09, 2010, at 09:13 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: Note that Python 2.7 will be *maintained* for a very long time, which should satisfy those folks who still require Python 2.  Anybody on

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 08:12, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: On Jun 09, 2010, at 04:42 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Many of them are not keen on having to maintain Python2 for much longer, but some of them may have assets codified in Python2 or interests based Python2 that they'll want to keep

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Jun 8, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: 2010/6/8 Alexandre Vassalotti alexan...@peadrop.com: Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to 2.x. Not from the core development team. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/9/2010 4:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Chris McDonough writes: It might be useful to copy the identifiers and URLs of all the backport request tickets into some other repository, or to create some unique state in roundup for these. Closed issues are not lost. They can

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/9/2010 10:42 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Steve Holden wrote How does throwing away information represent moving forward? 'Closing' a tracker issue does not 'throw away' information', it *adds* information as to current intention. It's certainly not fair to require all core developers

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Eric Smith
On 6/9/2010 4:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Closed issues are not lost. They can still be searched and the result downloaded. A keyword would do. Please don't add a status or something like that, though. I believe Type: feature request; Version: 2.7; Resolution wont fix should do

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Brett Cannon
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:40, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: On 6/9/2010 4:07 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Closed issues are not lost. They can still be searched and the result downloaded. A keyword would do.  Please don't add a status or something like that, though. I believe

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
It might be useful to copy the identifiers and URLs of all the backport request tickets into some other repository, or to create some unique state in roundup for these. Rationale: it's almost certain that if the existing Python core maintainers won't evolve Python 2.X past 2.7, some other group

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 09.06.2010 05:58, schrieb Alexandre Vassalotti: Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to 2.x. Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only close them *after* the 2.7

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Jun 09, 2010, at 09:13 AM, Bill Janssen wrote: Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: Note that Python 2.7 will be *maintained* for a very long time, which should satisfy those folks who still require Python 2. Anybody on older (and currently unmaintained) versions of

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Terry Reedy wrote: On 6/9/2010 10:42 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Steve Holden wrote How does throwing away information represent moving forward? 'Closing' a tracker issue does not 'throw away' information', it *adds* information as to current intention. It's certainly not fair to require

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Steve Holden
Barry Warsaw wrote: On Jun 09, 2010, at 01:15 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this deviating from the process, but it could be an

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Closing the backport requests is fine. For the feature requests, I'd only close them *after* the 2.7 release (after determining that they won't apply to 3.x, of course). There aren't that many backport requests, anyway,

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-09 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Facundo Batista facundobati...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, closing the tickets as won't fix and tagging them as will-never-happen-in-2.x or something, is the best combination of both worlds: it will clean the tracker and ease further developments, and will allow

[Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Alexandre Vassalotti
Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to 2.x. -- Alexandre ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Alexandre Vassalotti alexan...@peadrop.com wrote: Is there is any plan for a 2.8 release? If not, I will go through the tracker and close outstanding backport requests of 3.x features to You mean, simply mark them as Wont-Fix and close. I doubt, if this is

Re: [Python-Dev] Future of 2.x.

2010-06-08 Thread Fred Drake
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Senthil Kumaran orsent...@gmail.com wrote: it would still be a good idea to introduce some of them in minor releases in 2.7. I know, this deviating from the process, but it could be an option considering that 2.7 is the last of 2.x release. I disagree. If