Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I agree. This seriously feels like new, potentially high risk code to be adding this late in the game. The BDFL can always override, but unless someone is really

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 2:15 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Guido's request was just for updating the Unicode database with the data from 5.1 - without adding new support for properties or changing the interfaces. See this page for a list of changes to the

Re: [Python-Dev] Unicode 5.1.0

2008-08-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:17 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: You don't mean the experts claimed they weren't important, right? Unimportant changes definitely don't need to go in now wink. Well, at least Guido managed to figure out

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial mirrors

2008-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Antoine Pitrou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Thanks to Neil Schemenauer, we now have some Mercurial mirrors hosted at http://code.python.org/hg/

Re: [Python-Dev] Mercurial mirrors

2008-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Brett Cannon brett at python.org writes: But can we push branches up to our personal directories on code.python.org like we can with bzr? If you have an ssh access to code.python.org, it should

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6b3 Windows installers

2008-09-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:09 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: I suppose this is due to Martin building the installers and him not be available at the moment. He should be back today. Since Python on Windows will likely only get very few beta testers without

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6b3 Windows installers

2008-09-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 5:58 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:09 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: I suppose this is due

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] bsddb finished for 2.6/3.0 (and class 'BytesWarning': str() on a bytes instance)

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Jesus Cea wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: and I know Brett agrees, so that's it. On IRC, I've just asked Benjamin to do the honors for 3.0 and Brett will add the deprecations for 2.6. I just committed the fix for bsddb

[Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the bsddb removal on all platforms. Let me first thank Benjamin, Brett, Mark and Antoine

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry] I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. Can I go ahead with some bug fixes and doc improvements or should I wait until after Friday? Doc fixes are fine. Please have bug fix patches

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry In addition, Mark reported in IRC that there are some regressions Barry in the logging module. Vinay apparently checked in some changes to the logging module with no review. In

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: (I'll be hanging around in #python-dev today and tomorrow, btw, ping me if I can help you) Me too, though I'm a bit busy at work. Ping my nick 'barry' if you need any RM-level decision. -

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm not going to release rc1 tonight. There are too many open release blockers that I don't want to defer, and I'd like the buildbots to churn through the bsddb removal

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: (I have a few minor ET fixes, and possibly a Unicode 5.1 patch, but have had absolutely no time to spend on that. is the window still open?) There are 8 open release

Re: [Python-Dev] Not releasing rc1 tonight

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:37 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Sun, Sep 07, 2008 at 12:02:06PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: There are 8 open release blockers, a few of which have patches that need review. So I think we are still not ready to release rc1

[Python-Dev] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't think there's any way we're going to make our October 1st goal. We have 8 open release critical bugs, and 18 deferred blockers. We do not have a beta3 Windows installer and I don't have high hopes for rectifying all of these problems

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r66321 - in python/trunk: Doc/library/warnings.rst Lib/asynchat.py Lib/bsddb/test/test_early_close.py Lib/mimetools.py Lib/test/test___all__.py Lib/test/test_excepti

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 9, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: It's also a bug that was introduced by the late API changes made to WarningsRecorder in r66135 (when WarningsRecorder was moved from test.test_support to warnings to make it officially supported for

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Perhaps it's time to separate the 2.6 and 3.0 release schedules? I don't care if the next version of OSX contains 3.0 or not -- but I do care about it having 2.6. I've talked with my contact at

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 7:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't all those bytes/str

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 8, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Guido van Rossum] Well, from the number of release blockers it sounds like another 3.0 beta is the right thing. For 2.6 however I believe we're much closer to the finish line -- there aren't

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed revised schedule

2008-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:22 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Even if I can't contribute very much at the moment, I'm still +1 to that. I doubt Python would get nice publicity if we released a 3.0 but had to tell everyone, but don't really use it yet, it may

[Python-Dev] Updated release schedule for 2.6 and 3.0

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 We had a lot of discussion recently about changing the release schedule and splitting Python 2.6 and 3.0. There was general consensus that this was a good idea, in order to hit our October 1 deadline for Python 2.6 final at least. There is

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Updated release schedule for 2.6 and 3.0

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 12, 2008, at 9:19 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 7:54 AM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We had a lot of discussion recently about changing the release schedule and splitting Python 2.6 and 3.0

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6rc1

2008-09-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSMsXV3EjvBPtnXfVAQJFsgP9GxZYQocbDTd0Z/0yEjpHfZ/FTd8y83jV

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6rc1

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 17, 2008, at 5:59 AM, Jesus Cea wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I am happy to announce the first release candidate for Python 2.6. In http://www.python.org/download/releases

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6rc2 and 3.0rc1

2008-09-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
/download/releases/2.6/ and the Python 3.0 web site: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python

[Python-Dev] Python documentation

2008-09-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin points out that in the past, as part of the release process, we've built separate downloadable documentation. Do we still want to do that for Python 2.6 and 3.0, and if so, how do we go about doing that? I have this feeling that

Re: [Python-Dev] Python documentation

2008-09-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 21, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Barry Warsaw schrieb: Martin points out that in the past, as part of the release process, we've built separate downloadable documentation. Do we still want to do that for Python 2.6 and 3.0

Re: [Python-Dev] okay to add new test cases to 2.6?

2008-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 23, 2008, at 4:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Peterson wound up writing a test case for the new C atexit module on the py3k branch. A similar test, though different in detail, makes sense for the Python atexit module on trunk.

Re: [Python-Dev] json decoder speedups, any time left for 2.6?

2008-09-24 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 24, 2008, at 5:47 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: How much time do I have left to get this into Python 2.6? Zero I'm afraid - with rc1 out, it's release blocker bugs only. Anything which can be deferred to the 2.6.1 release

[Python-Dev] Reminder: Python 2.6 final next Wednesday

2008-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is a reminder that Python 2.6 final is schedule for release next Wednesday, October 1st. Once again, I've gone through the release blocker issues and knocked anything that doesn't specifically affect 2.6 to deferred blocker. This leaves

[Python-Dev] Python 2.6 final today

2008-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been out of town since Friday, but I don't yet see anything in the 700 billion email messages I'm now catching up on that leads me to think we need to delay the release. Yay! I will be on irc later today and will be trolling through the

Re: [Python-Dev] Python security team

2008-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 30, 2008, at 7:27 AM, Jan Mate(jek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan Mate wrote: Thanks for your answer. I guess the process is the real problem then. - From what i could observe, the connection between vendor-sec and PSRT is not really working as

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6 final

2008-10-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
/ (Please note that due to quirks in the earth's time zones, the Windows installers will be available shortly.) Bugs can be reported in the Python bug tracker: http://bugs.python.org Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6 final

2008-10-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 2, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Haoyu Bai wrote: Now almost all the pages on docs.python.org can't be accessed. For example http://docs.python.org/lib/lib.html returns 403 forbidden. Thanks to Georg and Thomas, the docs should all be fixed now. -

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6 final

2008-10-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:46 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On behalf of the Python development team and the Python community, I am happy to announce the release of Python 2.6 final. This is the production-ready version of the latest in the Python 2

Re: [Python-Dev] for __future__ import planning

2008-10-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: So now that we've released 2.6 and are working hard on shepherding 3.0 out the door, it's time to worry about the next set of releases. :) I propose that we dramatically shorten our release

Re: [Python-Dev] for __future__ import planning

2008-10-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 3, 2008, at 7:34 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: Wow! I guess release.py is going to get really automated then. =) That or you are going to manage to con more of us to help out (and even cut the release ourselves). release.py is really coming

[Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given what still needs to be done, is this a reasonable schedule? Do we

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 2 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final Given

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05-Nov-2008 3.0

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 5:47 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:48 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: [Barry Warsaw] So, we need to come up with a new release schedule for Python 3.0. My suggestion: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 beta 4 05

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: 15-Oct-2008 3.0 rc 2 05-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 3 19-Nov-2008 3.0 rc 4 03-Dec-2008 3.0 final I've updated PEP 361 and the Google calendar with this schedule, except that the PEP says that rc3 and

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Proposed Python 3.0 schedule

2008-10-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:01 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: I won't be able to cut another release between the 15th and 5th, so at least that one should be 2 weeks. If we don't need the additional rc, then we can release early, which would put us just

Re: [Python-Dev] Has python-dev collapsed?

2008-10-29 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 28, 2008, at 04:17 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Yes, that's what it feels like. I hope the pace picks up again and we can release 3.0 final in early December still. I really don't want to carry it over to 2009. Don't worry, it won't. As I

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-10-30 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: Since some months, I'm trying to improve Python but it's difficult because I'm not allowed to push patches and I have to wait for some reviews and then for someone interrested by my patches.

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 08:44 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: Brett Cannon schrieb: I just tried to update my 3.0 branch in hg from http://code.python.org/hg/branches/py3k/ and hg is telling me it's a 404. Anyone else having trouble? 404 here too. Since

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-10-31 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 08:58 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: Naw, I think I just f'd up the Apache conf. I'll try to fix that. And by I'll of course I meant Martin. :) Thanks Martin! - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-11-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:22 AM, Eric Smith wrote: Ulrich Eckhardt wrote: On Thursday 30 October 2008, Victor Stinner wrote: One of the reasons why I'm very keen on us moving to a distributed version control system is to help break the logjam on

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-11-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:04 AM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 11:04:42AM +, Barry Warsaw wrote: One of the reasons why I'm very keen on us moving to a distributed version control system is to help break the logjam on core

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 2:46 AM, Ralf Schmitt wrote: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:05 AM, Brett Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have started the DVCS PEP which can be seen at http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dg7fctr4_40dvjkdg64 . Not much is there beyond the

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 12:58 PM, C. Titus Brown wrote: - Sticking with a dvcs implemented in Python makes the best sense, - especially when you consider the plugin architecture. When we - selected a new tracker, we didn't make implementation in Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Ralf Schmitt wrote: I have used mercurial extensively (before having used git) and I think git is great. It gives you much more freedom to work with your source code than mercurial. Ralf, can you describe what you

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Oct 31, 2008, at 6:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin I have now restored the original URL structure, and moved the Martin loggerhead installation to Martin http://code.python.org/loggerhead/ A couple nits. Leaving off the

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:54 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: FWIW, I put one up this weekend, and it seems to be intact and OK. (bzr+ssh://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/python/2.6/ or http://code.python.org/python/2.6/ ) Excellent, thanks! This is getting mirrored

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: (No big deal though). More importantly, there seem to be no images, e.g.: http://code.python.org/static/images/ico_folder.gif Looks like it should be

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Thomas Wouters wrote: Exactly the same way 2.5, trunk and 3.0 are, yes. Beauty, thanks. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: But then again, having one scenario that shows svn's weakness directly wouldn't hurt. I could see a scenario where I start to fix something in branch A, realize that a deeper issue needs to be fixed,

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:03 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: As I said, one of the scenarios already says patches can be whatever the DVCS supports the best; plain diffs, branches, etc. And the comments for that scenario will point out any perks from that

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:39 PM, Thomas Wouters wrote: Here's a real-life Python example: http://bugs.python.org/issue2292. I actually developed that in two separate branches, one depending on the other: one branch for *just* the changes to

Re: [Python-Dev] XXX do we need a new policy?

2008-11-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: Grepping through Python's sources tells me that we have over 2,000 XXX comments. The thing that irks me about them is that the have a very slow rate of being resolved, since they usually act more

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 4, 2008, at 12:21 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: (2) New repo formats are added frequently, and taking advantage of new features often requires upgrading your repo format. So-called lightweight checkouts can be especially annoying as

Re: [Python-Dev] hg branch gone?

2008-11-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 4, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Thomas Wouters wrote: Nope, I have no idea how to edit those pages properly, sorry. I'm sure somebarryone does. I do. I've been meaning to update those pages to mention loggerhead too. I'll try to do that today.

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:00 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: This is true. Performance is not everything to everyone. Most Bazaar users don't care at all; they say things like who cares about a few seconds in bzr log when it gets the merge right almost

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Cosmin Stejerean wrote: I don't agree with completely dismissing performance just because it's Python. Yes, Python is fast enough most of the time, but when it's not we put a lot of effort into making it faster.

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:09 AM, Paul Moore wrote: I'll freely admit a (not very) hidden bias here - the slowness of an initial clone (or going through the download a shared repo, unpack it, create a branch and update rigmarole) makes this a nasty test

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:15 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Without a doubt the bazaar branches need a little more loving attention to make them a full working demo, but it's mostly details. The branches *do* contain the whole history, and not just

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-05 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Yes. My understanding, though I haven't tried it yet, is that newer versions of the bzr-svn plugin do a good job at a full conversion. Basically, every svn branch becomes a bzr branch and all svn

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: I disagree. This doesn't scale to Python size. For distributed VC to work, somebody has to maintain a repo 24x7. Python has to do this for the trunk; the additional burden for contributed

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: You need not feel that way. It's not you---the flexibility of dVCS means that until the Powers That Be promulgate a Workflow, this will be ambiguous. You're absolutely right. Adopting a

Re: [Python-Dev] Looking for VCS usage scenarios

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2008, at 6:35 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: If it isn't already there, suspending work on something to work on something else would make a very nice scenario to cover, as it is something even the core devs sometimes have to deal with. Indeed.

Re: [Python-Dev] DVCS PEP update

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 06:23, Christian Heimes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett Cannon wrote: I have emailed some people who have shown allegiance to a specific DVCS to seeif they are willing to

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.0rc2

2008-11-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
and downloadable distributions, see the Python 3.0 website: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ See PEP 361 for release schedule details: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0rc2

2008-11-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2008, at 4:53 AM, Victor Stinner wrote: Hi, Great job Barry and all contributors who fixed the last bugs ;-) Thanks! The document What's new in Python 3.0 in should be updated: http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/whatsnew/3.0.html

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0rc2

2008-11-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 7, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Victor Stinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Great job Barry and all contributors who fixed the last bugs ;-) Which reminds me that this release's star

Re: [Python-Dev] Released fixes for CVE-2008-2315 for Python 2.4?

2008-11-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Skip Montanaro and others hackers started to port the multiprocessing module to Python 2.4 and 2.5. http://code.google.com/p/python-multiprocessing/ Is it planned to include it in 2.4.6 and/or

Re: [Python-Dev] Released fixes for CVE-2008-2315 for Python 2.4?

2008-11-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 8, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: The backported version of MP is on pypi. Fancy that. SHHH! Don't tell Guido you've made dups of his time machine keys. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)

Re: [Python-Dev] Optimize Python long integers

2008-11-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:14 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: There are some very interesting propositions (with patches!) to optimize Python int and long types (especially the long integers). Just trying to clarify the focus: would you like to see any

Re: [Python-Dev] Optimize Python long integers

2008-11-11 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:56 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: Le Wednesday 12 November 2008 00:14:40, vous avez écrit : There are some very interesting propositions (with patches!) to optimize Python int and long types (especially the long integers).

Re: [Python-Dev] My patches

2008-11-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:01 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Eric Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bazaar. Take a look at the developers' pages on python.org, they mention that a BZR checkout is available. I know that

[Python-Dev] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python 2.6.1 should be ready on 03-Dec (well, if Python 3.0 is ready then!). I'm still planning the

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:03 AM, Facundo Batista wrote: 2008/11/17 Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me. That would mean that Python

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin suggests, and I agree, that we should release Python 3.0 final and 2.6.1 at the same time. Makes sense to me

Re: [Python-Dev] bytearray methods returning self...

2008-11-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 4:14 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Good catch, this is a bug IMO and we should fix it in 2.6.1 and 3.0rc3. Ah, a /real/ test of the time machine! Though you can avoid the risk of a rip in the time-space continuum by trying

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 9:52 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: Actually, I've wanted to do timed releases, though I think monthly is unrealistic. Maybe every two months is about the right time frame. Timed releases are nice because

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 18, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: From my point of view bi-monthly release are too much. For a ?.?.1 release two months are fine because several issues are found by 3rd party authors. But after that a release every quarter is

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 19, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Martin, I'm keen on figuring out a way to reduce your workload, and also to coordinate releases better between us. I /think/ with timed releases I can tag a little early and give you something

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] 2.6.1 and 3.0

2008-11-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 19, 2008, at 3:19 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: Let's try this for 3.0rc4 then. The current release is rc2. Skipping rc3 would confuse people'-) Yeah, my calendar was wrong, but the PEP (and more importantly... code!) was right :). There

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.0 final

2008-12-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQCVAwUBSTc3pXEjvBPtnXfVAQI69wP/dPHh8IL3GxziEV9QzlveKG+KyZb2X16x

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.0 final

2008-12-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On this page: http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.0/ The text This is a proeuction release should probably read This is a production release. It would give a better first impression :) Fixed,

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] RELEASED Python 3.0 final

2008-12-03 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 3, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: Thanks so much for seeing this one through, Barry and co! Champagne!!! Now if only I could go on vacation. :) - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)

Re: [Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 3.0 final

2008-12-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 4, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I can't find any docs built for Python 3.0 (not 3.1a0). The Windows installation has new 3.0 doc dated Dec 3, so it was built, just not posted correctly. That doesn't mean very much. I built

[Python-Dev] RELEASED Python 2.6.1

2008-12-04 Thread Barry Warsaw
/releases/2.6.1/ Bugs can be reported in the Python bug tracker: http://bugs.python.org Enjoy, - -Barry Barry Warsaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Python 2.6/3.0 Release Manager (on behalf of the entire python-dev team) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 possibilities

2008-12-06 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Benjamin Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the release of 3.0, several critical issues have come to our attention. Namely, the builtin cmp function wasn't

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 possibilities

2008-12-07 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:05 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think it is still timely when fixed in January or February. In fact, releasing it still in December might not be possible, due to the limited time available. The cmp()

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 possibilities

2008-12-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 7, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I'm personally okay with performance fixes in point releases, as long it doesn't change API or add additional features. Does your okay include or exclude new internal APIs

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 possibilities

2008-12-08 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com writes: Where would adding a (undocumented) get_filename() method to ZipImporter objects for the benefit of the -m switch fit then? Why not call it

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] python-3000 list is closed

2008-12-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 15, 2008, at 7:44 PM, s...@pobox.com wrote: Martin The mailing list python-3...@python.org is now closed. All Martin further discussion of Python 3.x takes place on Martin python-...@python.org. Maybe set up a simple email alias

[Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2008-12-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'd like to get Python 3.0.1 out before the end of the year. There are no showstoppers, but I haven't yet looked at the deferred blockers or the buildbots. Do you think we can get 3.0.1 out on December 24th? Or should we wait until after

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

2008-12-19 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:42 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Barry Warsaw wrote: I'd like to get Python 3.0.1 out before the end of the year. There are no showstoppers, but I haven't yet looked at the deferred blockers or the buildbots. Do you think we

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