Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Am 26.09.2010 03:45, schrieb P.J. Eby: I'm actually a bit surprised people are bringing this up now, since when I announced the plan to make these changes, I said that nothing would be changed that would break anything I think people read this as nothing would be changed, period. However, you

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread P.J. Eby
At 07:15 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: Don't see this as a new spec. See it as a procedural issue. As a procedural issue, PEP 333 is an Informational PEP, in Draft status, which I'd like to make Final after these amendments. See http://www.wsgi.org/wsgi/Amendments_1.0, which

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/2010 02:31 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Am 26.09.2010 03:45, schrieb P.J. Eby: I'm actually a bit surprised people are bringing this up now, since when I announced the plan to make these changes, I said that nothing would be changed that

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: I hadn't realized that PEP 333 was never actually in the 'Final' status (de facto, it has been so for years, of course).  Given that fact, and PJEs assurances, I think amending the PEP and then immediately declaring it

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I think people read this as nothing would be changed, period. However, you did make substantial changes to the specification (or else the whole exercise would have been pointless, I suppose, and you couldn't have claimed that WSGI is now Python 3-friendly when it previously was not). The

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I'm sorry, but all this weasel-wording about how these changes aren't really changes and how this standard wasn't really a standard make me very uncomfortable. I'm happy approving Final status for the *original* PEP 333 and I'm happy to approve a new PEP which includes PJE's corrections. I'm

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Vinay Sajip
Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes: I'm still with Guido here: I'd accept PEP 333 as final in the state it had last week, give PJE's edits a new PEP number, and accept that as final right away also. This sounds like it should make everyone happy - no rewriting of history, and no

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-26 Thread Paul Moore
On 26 September 2010 19:01, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Martin v. Löwis martin at v.loewis.de writes: I'm still with Guido here: I'd accept PEP 333 as final in the state it had last week, give PJE's edits a new PEP number, and accept that as final right away also. This

[Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment: http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014r2=85013pathrev=85014 For that matter, if anybody wants to take a crack at updating Python 3's

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333. --Guido On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:56 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I have

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Jesse Noller
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: I have only done the Python 3-specific changes at this point; the diff is here if anybody wants to review, nitpick or otherwise comment:  http://svn.python.org/view/peps/trunk/pep-0333.txt?r1=85014r2=85013pathrev=85014

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
At 09:22 PM 9/25/2010 -0400, Jesse Noller wrote: It seems like it will end up different enough to be a different specification, closely related to the original, but different enough to trip up all the people maintaining current WSGI servers and apps. The only actual *change* to the spec is

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread P.J. Eby
At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual corrections on the existing PEP 333. With the exception of the bytes

Re: [Python-Dev] WSGI is now Python 3-friendly

2010-09-25 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:00 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: At 02:07 PM 9/25/2010 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: This is a very laudable initiative and I approve of the changes -- but I really think it ought to be a separate PEP rather than pretending it is just a set of textual