[Python-Dev] PyCon Registration Opens Today!

and peaceful holiday season. regards Steve Holden Chairman, PyCON DC 2005 -- PyCon DC 2005: The third Python Community Conference http://www.pycon.org/ http://www.python.org/pycon/ The scoop on Python implementations and applications ___ Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] Microsoft to Provide PyCon Opening Keynote

://www.python.org/moin/PyConDC2005/Schedule for the current schedule, and register at http://www.python.org/pycon/2005/ regards Steve Holden Chairman, PyCON DC 2005 -- PyCon DC 2005: The third Python Community Conference http://www.pycon.org/ http://www.python.org/pycon/ The scoop on Python

[Python-Dev] PyCon: The Spam Continues ;-)

is [Python-Dev] Microsoft to Provide PyCon Opening Keynote by Steve Holden (you can repeat the search to see whether this assertion is true as you read this mail, and read the opening keynote announcement [I hope...]). Space at PyCon is again enlarged, but it certainly isn't infinite. I'd love

[Python-Dev] Re: [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon: The Spam Continues ;-)

Steve Holden wrote: [some things followed by] If I remember Trent Lott (?) described at an IPC the SQL Server database that drives this system, and it was a great example of open source technology driving a proprietary (but I expect (?) relatively portable) repository. Please forgive me

[Python-Dev] Re: [PyCon] Reg: Registration

to joining you all to hear Guido speak on The State of Python. regards Steve -- Steve Holden http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com/ Holden Web LLC +1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 ___ Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] Re: Comment regarding PEP 328

Josiah Carlson wrote: Guido van Rossum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Josiah Carlson] if we could change import in such a way that made standard library imports different from standard library imports, we could [Greg Ewing] ...go on to prove that black is white and get ourselves killed by a python on

[Python-Dev] Re: python-dev Summary for 2005-01-16 through 2005-01-31

(I thought he was better), and life carried on. If you were to ask a member of the Sun UK User Group now the name of their second chairman I'd be very surprised if they had any idea who the hell Steve Holden was. (Historical note: the first chairman was Chris Brown, and nobody will remember him

[Python-Dev] Re: Documentation for __new__

Greg Ward wrote: On 05 March 2005, Nick Coghlan said: Steven Bethard has put together some text to add __new__ to the list of Basic Customisation methods in the language reference. Would one of the documentation folks care to take a look at it? I've tried to tighten up the text there and

[Python-Dev] Re: comprehension abbreviation (was: Adding any() and all())

as a separate step seems a little ... unnecessary. Having to write [x for x in seq] to produce a copy of a list doesn't seem that outrageous to me, and I don't find the predicate-less case of your proposal that convincing: [x in seq] seems somehow too terse. [...] regards Steve -- Steve Holden

[Python-Dev] Re: marshal / unmarshal

in order to avoid the impression that we might one day work on stuff that actually useful to real Python users. Except, possibly, conferences. The effbot is at least averagely cantankerous this month :-) unworthi-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

[Python-Dev] Re: anonymous blocks

extremely short-lived, and there is little point worrying about clutter as long as there's no chance of confusion. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming http://pydish.holdenweb.com

Re: [Python-Dev] Summer of Code: Developing complete SSL support for Python

certainly if the platform has a certificate repository it might be good to offer an interface to that, as well as offering a private certificate repository. regards Steve -- Steve Holden+1 703 861 4237 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Python Web Programming

Re: [Python-Dev] Bare except clauses in PEP 348

next door? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove str.find in 3.0?

3.0 introduces something more satisfactory, or simply removes find() altogether. Otherwise the resulting code breakage when the future arrives just causes unnecessary pain. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com

Re: [Python-Dev] empty string api for files

. Indeed. Something like: SYSIN DD *,BLKSIZE=80 IIRC (which I may well not do after thirty years or so). People used to solve generic programming problems in JCL just for the hell of it. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove str.find in 3.0?

) == s.rpartition(x) Oops, it fails if s == . I can usually find some way to go wrong ... tongue-in-cheek-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Proof of the pudding: str.partition()

has proposed, including the ones I just showed above. try again. The collective brainpower that's been exercised on this one enhancement already must be phenomenal, but the proposal still isn't perfect. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacement for print in Python 3.0

the function have a sensible return value, or is None the best possible result? hesitating-to-suggest-minus-one-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] String views

on the idea of passing pointers to their data to C functions as things stand? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacement for print in Python 3.0

had nothing but scorn for the lowly print statement. On the other hand, with that kind of money you could probably hire enough geeks to do the maintenance for you. first-in-line-for-the-job-ly y'rs - steve PS: For what little it's worth I'd keep print too. -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255

Re: [Python-Dev] String views

it. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Python-Dev] reference counting in Py3K

. Reference counting is an implementation detail, and isn't a part of the language specifications. I have no idea why you find it so annoying, but there are other implementations (Jython, Iron Python) that don't use it. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding a conditional expression in Py3.0

of it) for: def f(condition): return something if condition # no else! return somethingElse not-expecting-this-to-fly-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.pycon.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding a conditional expression in Py3.0

Guido van Rossum wrote: On 9/29/05, Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would argue for mandatory parentheses around the expression, leaving room later (probably after Guido is no longer around to be sick at the site of it) for: def f(condition): return something if condition

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding a conditional expression in Py3.0

a favour. Sometimes no decision is worse than the wrong decision ;-). regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] Conditional Expression Resolution

is a cause for much jubilation. Congratulations, Guido! nothing-to-see-here-folks-let's-move-along-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] __doc__ behavior in class definitions

of a language lawyer to determine exactly why this is, but it's clear that class variables aren't scoped in the same way as function locals. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006

Re: [Python-Dev] Pythonic concurrency

yourself in the foot. In the case of threads true sophistication is staying away from the difficult cases, an option which unfortunately isn't always available in the real world. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] Extending tuple unpacking

difficult to specify that. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Extending tuple unpacking

print a, b, c (1, 2, 3) Cheers, Nick. This gets too weird, though. What about: (a, **d) = **data Should this be equivalent to a = 1 d = dict(b=2, c=3) ? Basically I suspect we are heading towards the outer limits here. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800

Re: [Python-Dev] Guido v. Python, Round 1

Neal Norwitz wrote: We all know Guido likes Python. But the real question is do pythons like Guido? http://python.org/neal/ Neal: Getting a 404 on this one right now. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] Guido v. Python, Round 1

: the stuff is on creosote, 213.84.134.214, not www or dinsdale. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Divorcing str and unicode (no more implicit conversions).

type, but it will take much longer to fix their thinking. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 351, the freeze protocol

free card for Microsoft and many other software vendors ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Adding examples to PEP 263

, or whatever. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] s/hotshot/lsprof

of Attention-Deficit Teenagers Where's the BDFL to say yes or no when you need one? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] ast status, memory leaks, etc

without pymalloc. Is there maybe a machine in the SourceForge compile farm that could be used for this work? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] ElementTree - Why not part of the core? (fwd)

. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications

is not an error (like the aforementioned HTTPRedirect). ;) For library modules I'd recommend that the exception hierarchy be rooted at either BaseError (for modules not designed from import-*) or ModulenameBaseError (for those that are). regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800

Re: [Python-Dev] ElementTree - Why not part of the core? (fwd)

elsewhere? Or external? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] ElementTree - Why not part of the core? (fwd)

-- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] Sharing expat instances

index! regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Website cruft

on Sourceforge :-( Could someone fix that? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Sharing expat instances

for the standard interpreter, which I assume can always rely on having an installed module available as a file (though this might not be desirable in the future). regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 8 updates/clarifications

regartds Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

Fredrik Lundh wrote: Steve Holden wrote: That's embarrassing, by the way. You're obviously having a bad spelling day :-) I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly valid... Anything you say, Frederick ... thirteen-million-google-hits-can't-possibly

Re: [Python-Dev] fixing log messages

Fredrik Lundh wrote: Steve Holden wrote: I'd say that any spelling with more than 500,000 google hits is perfectly valid... Anything you say, Frederick ... thirteen-million-google-hits-can't-possibly-be-wrong-ly y'rs - steve oh, frederick is a perfectly valid english spelling

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

Fredrik Lundh wrote: - is it perhaps time to start investigating using lighter tools for the core documentation ? +1 regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

, and *not* by making it more difficult to complain ;-) Could the PSF help here by offering annual prizes for the best contributions to the documentation, or wouldn't that be an adequate motivator? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] timeout options in high-level networking modules

, and neither of those options are entirely satisfactory. Basically any method that can create a new TCP connection should acquire an optional timeout=None parameter, right? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

Steve Holden wrote: [...] Alternatively, is there any mileage in trying to either get Sourceforge to provide Windows machines in the compile farm, or get Microsoft to provide more software fee to Windows testers? ^fee^free^ -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

a compile farm? I'll see what I can do ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] status of development documentation

Steve Holden wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Alternatively, is there any mileage in trying to either get Steve Sourceforge to provide Windows machines in the compile farm, or Steve get Microsoft to provide more software fee to Windows testers? How about seeing if Microsoft

Re: [Python-Dev] a quit that actually quits

exactly what that would be under all circumstances). regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] Ph.D. dissertation ideas?

-- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] TAR problems under Solaris

) to customers who could afford it. Guess they never fed the changes back into the trunk ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] Names matter.

and Thawte have web-of-trust-like schemes to support this. In the meantine what do we do? Ask for a signed statement that contributors are contributing under their own identities? regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com

Re: [Python-Dev] timeit module

would be present for all compaered techniques. Do you mean rules #0 and #2? [...] regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] Names matter.

suffered from a smiley-deficiency. Clearly there is little point in a signed piece of paper saying I am me, signed 'me'. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

we just invented', too? ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

represented in float form. Personally I wouldn't even be interested in seeing 1.3407807929942597e+154 written in fixed point form *in decimal*, let alone in binary where the representation, though unambiguous, would have over 500 bits, most of them zeros. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

Steve Holden wrote: [...] Personally I wouldn't even be interested in seeing 1.3407807929942597e+154 written in fixed point form *in decimal*, let alone in binary where the representation, though unambiguous, would have over 500 bits, most of them zeros. Well, shot myself in the foot

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

to format floats losslessly in hex or binary, Tim Peters would use it at least once every six weeks to illustrate the finer points of floating point arithmetic. 0.00390625 wink +1.0 Nah, Tim's got the chops to use the struct model to get his point across. regards Steve -- Steve Holden

Re: [Python-Dev] str with base

, or just the radix argument? Another possibility, since Python 3 can break backward compatibility: we could take a page out of Icon's book and use an rN suffix for non-decimal literals. 23 == 27r8 == 17r16 regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web

Re: [Python-Dev] Path inherits from string

. Would it help to redefine file/open so they called an __open__() method on the argument were one defined, otherwise reverting to current behaviour? That way we could just just define an __open__(self) method for path objects. I doubt performance is a huge issue here. regards Steve -- Steve

[Python-Dev] SourceForge Download Page, Subversion Home Page

spill on to the python-dev list what impinges on developers. Your opinions on these specific issues are probably the most significant. [pydotorgers: let's try not to spam python-dev with any discussions] regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] threadsafe patch for asynchat

answer is process the request in a thread. That way the dispatcher can spring to life for each event as quickly as needed. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] threadsafe patch for asynchat

Josiah Carlson wrote: Fredrik Lundh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Holden wrote: What is the reason that people want to use threads when they can have poll/select-style message processing? Why does Zope require threads? IOW, why would anybody *want* a threadsafe patch for asynchat? In case

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's just *keep* lambda

consensus emerges from the thousands of random variants? Right, then we can get back to important stuff like how to represent octal constants. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006

Re: [Python-Dev] Pervasive socket failures on Windows

. yeah, right, at your off-site boondoggle south of the border. we know. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] Adventures with ASTs - Inline Lambda

and not hypothetical. It appears to hang together, but I'm not sure I see how it overcomes objections to lambda by replacing it with another keyword. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006

Re: [Python-Dev] bytes type discussion

Guido is on record as saying There will be no Python 2.10 because I hate the ambiguity of double-digit minor release numbers, or words to that effect. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: defaultdict

True if there is a default. It certainly seems desirable to see True where d[some_key] doesn't raise an exception, but one could argue either way. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: defaultdict

to handle the case separately where the key isn't in the dict yet. This also works for sets instead of lists: d = {} d.default_factory = set ... d[key].add(value) This seems like a very good compromise. [non-functional alternatives ...] regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255

Re: [Python-Dev] Proposal: defaultdict

. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon/ ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] buildbot is all green

it. How about this one: http://styx.livinglogic.de/~walter/python/BuildBot_%20Python.html All formats would be improved of the headers could be made to float at the top of the page as scrolling took place. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC

Re: [Python-Dev] defaultdict proposal round three

might be appropriate. Or phantom_dict, or ghost_dict. I agree that the naming of things is important. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC www.holdenweb.com PyCon TX 2006 www.python.org/pycon

Re: [Python-Dev] Using and binding relative names (was Re: PEP forBetter Control of Nested Lexical Scopes)

went to Rutgers (I think) and developed SETL. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog holdenweb.blogspot.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] When will regex really go away?

when all we had was regex. And we were thankful for it, by golly. Now you'd think the young-uns never knew it existed. wink You had regex? You were lucky. (etc., etc.) yorkshireman-ly y'rs - steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd

Re: [Python-Dev] conditional expressions - add parens?

if absolute_import in self.futures: level = -1 or even, if a certain obscurity is desirable: level = - (absolute_import in self.futures) regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my

Re: [Python-Dev] conditional expressions - add parens?

Morel Xavier wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Contrast with the bleeding obvious: level = 0 if absolute_import in self.futures: level = -1 regards Steve The issue that spawned the necessity of a ternary operator in the first place was that this syntax

Re: [Python-Dev] conditional expressions - add parens?

Joe Smith wrote: Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Jewett wrote: I think that adding parentheses would help, by at least signalling that the logic is longer than just the next (single) expression. level = (0 if absolute_import in self.futures

Re: [Python-Dev] conditional expressions - add parens?

postfix conditionals for statements. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog holdenweb.blogspot.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

Re: [Python-Dev] quit() on the prompt

() called Error! (At least, I consider that a bad side-effect.) I should imagine the use cases for running an interactive Python shell as a part of a script are fairly few and far between, though. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd

Re: [Python-Dev] conditional expressions - add parens?

Morel Xavier wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Contrast with the bleeding obvious: level = 0 if absolute_import in self.futures: level = -1 regards Steve The issue that spawned the necessity of a ternary operator in the first place was that this syntax is not usable

[Python-Dev] The Need for Speed Sprint, Reykjavik, Iceland, May 21-28, 2006

is available, please notify Steve Holden of your intention to attend by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog holdenweb.blogspot.com

[Python-Dev] Don Beaudry

Does anyone have a current email address for Don? I've had a bounce from dvcorp.com and I need to get in touch with him. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog

[Python-Dev] Calling Thomas Heller and Richard Jones

If Thomas Heller and Richard Jones haven't recently received email from me (and are reading this list, naturally) I'd appreciate it if they'd get in touch with me in the next day or so. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r46043 - peps/trunk/pep-0356.txt

compiler problems ___ Python-checkins mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-checkins -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Love me

Re: [Python-Dev] A Horrible Inconsistency

... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden ___ Python-Dev mailing list

[Python-Dev] This

-dev would be best, I suspect]. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden

Re: [Python-Dev] A Horrible Inconsistency

Greg Ewing wrote: Steve Holden wrote: In actual fact the effbot has lately found itself so permeated with Windows that it has become constituionally incapable of using a forward slash. Don't know what's with the square brackets though ... I was thinking maybe that message had resulted

Re: [Python-Dev] epoll implementation

*was* the best available which, as we've seen this week, may not be easy. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden

Re: [Python-Dev] Need for Speed Sprint status

terrific support from many other developers. I hope the whole community benefits from this sprint. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings

Re: [Python-Dev] Let's stop eating exceptions in dict lookup

and the (2.0?) change that stopped socket.socket() from accepting two arguments. IMHO I think we should accept that the behaviour needs to change and be prepared for a few anguished squeals. FWIW I suspect they will be even fewer than anticipated. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Benchmarks

for ways to measure the process time on Windows. I wish you luck with this search, as we clearly do need to improve repeatability of pybench results across all platforms, and particularly on Windows. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Benchmarks

if you could have come to this conclusion before asking me not to make this change, which would otherwise have been checked in two weeks ago. Still, as long as we can all agree on this and move forward I suppose the intervening debate at least leaves us better-informed. regards Steve -- Steve

Re: [Python-Dev] External Package Maintenance (was Re: Please stop changing wsgiref on the trunk)

. He's been really crabby lately ... regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Love me, love my blog http://holdenweb.blogspot.com Recent Ramblings http://del.icio.us/steve.holden

Re: [Python-Dev] Dropping externally maintained packages (Was:Please stop changing wsgiref on the trunk)

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Re: [Python-Dev] ImportWarning flood

: No module named mypackage.foo Note that subdirectories are searched for imports only if they contain an __init__.py file: http://www.python.org/doc/essays/packages.html Yeah, that'll really help the end-user whose sys admin has just upgraded to 2.5, won't it? regards Steve -- Steve

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